Best roller secondaray for Apex LTX

[Rash]

Ya.. i used to ride an ATTAK back in the begining, and i had fitted a HX-C roller secondary on it.... man did it pull like crazy.... so now, on my Apex LTX, i'm looking for a Secondary to put on and i wonder if there is anything better than HC-X ... like the Team roller secondary, the AEEN, or any other suggestions?..

Thanks..



RASSSSSH

 

[Turk]

Did you compare side to side in a drag race & top end run with a stocker to see if in fact it was faster? What seems faster in the seat of pants is actually slower. If you have nothing to compare to seat of the pants is decieving.
Peak rpm,s & belt temps plus side to side testing against a mule test sled can give you verification.

 

[grizzerly]

i have a team on my attak and a hartman setup. It is not a whole lot different then stock, maybe a little slower on topend, it does backshift quicker.

 

[KnappAttack]

Ya.. i used to ride an ATTAK back in the begining, and i had fitted a HX-C roller secondary on it.... man did it pull like crazy.... so now, on my Apex LTX, i'm looking for a Secondary to put on and i wonder if there is anything better than HC-X ... like the Team roller secondary, the AEEN, or any other suggestions?..

Thanks..



RASSSSSH

Save your money! Nothing is faster than a good button driven.

Tried many and nothing out accelerates a button cover! In fact the newer sleds that come with rollers get swapped out to button covers for better performance. All the top Drag sleds run buttons with the exception of a few with the Team Tied, who had to give a bunch away to even get them on a few of the top machines.

The new Team Tied is working well, but is only on par with the Cat button driven. The rest are not as good as a Cat or Yamaha button driven.

 

[RJH]

I agree..it is the face finish..that counts.

 

[Rash]

Ya.. i used to ride an ATTAK back in the begining, and i had fitted a HX-C roller secondary on it.... man did it pull like crazy.... so now, on my Apex LTX, i'm looking for a Secondary to put on and i wonder if there is anything better than HC-X ... like the Team roller secondary, the AEEN, or any other suggestions?..

Thanks..



RASSSSSH

Save your money! Nothing is faster than a good button driven.

Tried many and nothing out accelerates a button cover! In fact the newer sleds that come with rollers get swapped out to button covers for better performance. All the top Drag sleds run buttons with the exception of a few with the Team Tied, who had to give a bunch away to even get them on a few of the top machines.

The new Team Tied is working well, but is only on par with the Cat button driven. The rest are not as good as a Cat or Yamaha button driven.

well, you got me wondering then... i don't remember everything i put into my ATTAK back then, but man... it had gained 15 MPH top speed when all was said and done (GPS)... but i had cams, springs, supertips and HC-X roller secondary...

so .. maybe i'll just stay on the buttons..

thanks for input to those with experience..

 

[LJ 452]

Is this strictly drag? Last I heard most of the snow cross racers use encapsulated rollers Tied, Paragon, etc. Now the rear question would be what are the cross country guys using.

 

[KnappAttack]

Is this strictly drag? Last I heard most of the snow cross racers use encapsulated rollers Tied, Paragon, etc. Now the rear question would be what are the cross country guys using.

Yep, drag and speed runs.

Snow crossers run little kiddie motors! 440's and 600's! they need all the help they can get with backshifting and such to keep em up on pipe. Certainally not needed with a bid tq. four stroke or big inch two-stroke.

 

[Rash]

from what i heard, for drag on ice.. no rollers, but for trail riding.. rollers are good.. at least in my breif experience but after talking to more experienced tuners, i'll probably go with a roller..

 

[KnappAttack]

What will a roller do for the four-stroke? Well, it will allow the slower reving four-stroke engine and not the sled to accelerate to a higher RPM quicker, rather than using the TQ available to accelerate the sled quicker, but if it makes you feel better, then buy all means, it's your money. I prefer to make them faster without spending money. I think your making a step in the wrong direction going to a roller.

The "more experienced" tuners must know something I don't know. Oh ya, its how to take your money, something I should have learned to do rather than racking up 24 ISR World Championships and numerous world records along the way. I'm telling you, buttons are even faster on the trail.

 

[Rash]

I know... my freind did build a 400 hp Apex turbo and got 156 MPH on a lake that was plowed 12 feets wide... RADAR.. but he has a bad habbit of always taking a different route to get to a point where he is often better... and since i known him for a long time..he doesn't take money from me..

but he oftens has ideas opposite from general concensus... but often ends up being right.. so, i end up doubting. But from what i can see, you have a HUGE experience on dragging and racing so even though we never met, i think highly of your comments and appreciate your input... could it be on ice: buttons are better, and on hard snow the roller is better?...

just wondering..

thanks so far with your patience...

if it ain't so.. and i stay on buttons..(simpler and cheaper)

should you recommend changing setup in both clutchs or just le primairy??

thanks.. again..

 

[KnappAttack]

Even on snow a button driven driven is faster. We have proven this time and time again. It allows more efficient clutching not trying to fight a stronger driven spring that is needed for the roller cover.

Rollers better on snowcross keeping the small engines on pipe. This is the only instance where its better than a button driven.

Save your money.

 

[stone88]

I may not be a world champion or a resident expert but I have run both button and roller on my stock sled then my S/C sled for 2 seasons and now my turbo sled and I can tell you I love the roller set up it has always been faster for me. Just like any clutch set up it takes lots of testing to get the right set up on the roller but once you have it "for me" it out performs the button. My 2cents.

 

[Turk]

I just got back from haydays & had the unexpected pleasure of being let in the pits on Sunday to talk to the one stop performance guys. I spent a lot of time looking thru all their 5 sleds & these guys were great answering questions & giving info.
Anyway; they are using rollers on their top 3 sleds includung the one that set the new 146 mph in 500' record yesterday. They do claim gains with this unit on their race sleds. Can,t really argue with a guy running 3.79 & 146 mph in 500' plus i visually did see these rollers on their sleds as they let me look thru the clutching.

 

[KnappAttack]

I just got back from haydays & had the unexpected pleasure of being let in the pits on Sunday to talk to the one stop performance guys. I spent a lot of time looking thru all their 5 sleds & these guys were great answering questions & giving info.
Anyway; they are using rollers on their top 3 sleds includung the one that set the new 146 mph in 500' record yesterday. They do claim gains with this unit on their race sleds. Can,t really argue with a guy running 3.79 & 146 mph in 500' plus i visually did see these rollers on their sleds as they let me look thru the clutching.

Noticed Dan Hall running the roller on his nitrous two-stroke too. I will amend my statement that the 500+HP sled seem to overcome to overshifting of the roller and lighter driven spring and do see a half tenth decrease in the ET department. (I would imagine they have the TQ to overcome the RM drop when they spin a bit!). Still stand buy my statement though that for the average four-stroke between 120-300 HP a button will be the better option. Roller will not be any faster if the button clutch is dialed like it should be.