Also forgot to say I rode 2 differant 05 renagades that day and they both beat me to death. One of them was so bad I only rode it for 20 minutes and I wanted mine back. The other one had been tweaked and was better but I wasn't impressed at all. They corner better but they ride rough as cob, banged the hell out of my knees with the pads on the cowling. My final conclusions was they SUCK. And of the three revs with us that day all three lost bolts during our very hard ride. They almost convinced me to jump ship, all I can say is thank god I didn't I would be very unhappy after dishing out 9500 for a rough #*$&@ ride and a sled that leaves parts all down the trail!!!