Engine braking reduction??

[lucky_7]

My rev did the same thing with the idle. It would stay high for about 30 seconds, then drop down to normal.

I don't understand why somebody would want engine braking? I think that you can learn to use it to your advantage, but it just seems like it is inefficient and causes too much 'drag'.

 

[Sasquatch]

My rev did the same thing with the idle. It would stay high for about 30 seconds, then drop down to normal.

I don't understand why somebody would want engine braking? I think that you can learn to use it to your advantage, but it just seems like it is inefficient and causes too much 'drag'.

It causes no drag it works like a brake on your right thumb. It is a more efficient way to brake using the engine rather than wearing out the brakes. You learn throttle control. You become a smoother rider in and out of a corner. Smoother is faster so it that would be a asset.

All you have to do is adjust to it. It is a feature not a drawback! Once you learn how to use it, it is a tool that no two stroke has. Learning curve is quick and the benifits are fantastic. Brake and throttle all in one control. For those of us who did the learning curve, taking it away is a minus. I for one do not want to ride a sled without it. First corner I would be in the trees!

 

[stoutner]

My rev did the same thing with the idle. It would stay high for about 30 seconds, then drop down to normal.

I don't understand why somebody would want engine braking? I think that you can learn to use it to your advantage, but it just seems like it is inefficient and causes too much 'drag'.

It causes no drag it works like a brake on your right thumb. It is a more efficient way to brake using the engine rather than wearing out the brakes. You learn throttle control. You become a smoother rider in and out of a corner. Smoother is faster so it that would be a asset.

All you have to do is adjust to it. It is a feature not a drawback! Once you learn how to use it, it is a tool that no two stroke has. Learning curve is quick and the benifits are fantastic. Brake and throttle all in one control. For those of us who did the learning curve, taking it away is a minus. I for one do not want to ride a sled without it. First corner I would be in the trees!

I agree. I don't know about mountain sleds but trail sleds benefit from engine braking. It is pretty funny how it takes about one hour of riding to get used to it. Once you are used to it, you naturally adjust your riding style. I love it. It seems so much easier not reaching for that brake going into every corner. I just let off the gas slightly going into corners...If I need to slow way down, I just let all the way off the gas. Coming out of the corners, I just lay the hammer down

 

[rightarm]

My rev did the same thing with the idle. It would stay high for about 30 seconds, then drop down to normal.

I don't understand why somebody would want engine braking? I think that you can learn to use it to your advantage, but it just seems like it is inefficient and causes too much 'drag'.

It causes no drag it works like a brake on your right thumb. It is a more efficient way to brake using the engine rather than wearing out the brakes. You learn throttle control. You become a smoother rider in and out of a corner. Smoother is faster so it that would be a asset.

All you have to do is adjust to it. It is a feature not a drawback! Once you learn how to use it, it is a tool that no two stroke has. Learning curve is quick and the benifits are fantastic. Brake and throttle all in one control. For those of us who did the learning curve, taking it away is a minus. I for one do not want to ride a sled without it. First corner I would be in the trees!

I agree. I don't know about mountain sleds but trail sleds benefit from engine braking. It is pretty funny how it takes about one hour of riding to get used to it. Once you are used to it, you naturally adjust your riding style. I love it. It seems so much easier not reaching for that brake going into every corner. I just let off the gas slightly going into corners...If I need to slow way down, I just let all the way off the gas. Coming out of the corners, I just lay the hammer down

Totally agree with the above.

 

[AKrider]

Engine braking is definitly a matter of personal preference. I like EB for riding fast through the twisties since you don't have to use the brake so much. In the mountains it helps to slow the sled down when going downhills. It doesn't take long to get used to. I'm guessing the guys that have the most trouble adapting, probably only ride snowmachines and not two & four stroke bikes and quads?

 

[lucky_7]

Appreciate the feedback. I look forward to it!

 

[morrisond]

Engine Breaking? Can't think of many corners where I haven't had to use the brakes. Maybe I'm just trying harder...

The one thing I do find though is that if you don't stud an 4 stroke it can make the back end quite squirely when you let off and the engine slows the track.

 

[rightarm]

Engine Breaking? Can't think of many corners where I haven't had to use the brakes. Maybe I'm just trying harder...

The one thing I do find though is that if you don't stud an 4 stroke it can make the back end quite squirely when you let off and the engine slows the track.

You're letting off to much and too long causing the lock up.When you do it right and at the apex of the turn the rear will slide out slowly causing the front end of the snowmobile to turn towards the inside of the turn and essentually less input is needed at the bars to turn it.Like using the rear brake on a bike to get the front to go where you want it to.Like in 03 when some people didn't understand the concept of EB got to there first turn on the 4 stroke they would chop the throttle like on there 2 strokes and in turn would lock up the track and end up rolling it.

 

[nate007]

I don't know how many of you have every driven a semi before, but it's similar to the "jake" brake on a tractor trailer. After a while you learn to shift while its still on, and not activate it. It will only work when you are fully out of the throttle, and otherwise, it does nothing. I like using them, because it serves to extendt the life of the service brakes, and the same reason on my sled, and in addition, I can ride harder!
I understand that some people may like or dislike this feature, but my point of this thread was to know if anybody can ,or has, figured out how to change its function, or lessen its effect.

 

[morrisond]

Engine Breaking? Can't think of many corners where I haven't had to use the brakes. Maybe I'm just trying harder...

The one thing I do find though is that if you don't stud an 4 stroke it can make the back end quite squirely when you let off and the engine slows the track.

The above comment was an joke, I know perfectly well how to drive.

My point was that 4 strokes really benefit from studs as it keeps the #*$&@ end straight going into corners.

You can do the gradual back off of the throttle thing, it works, but that basically means that your carrying a lot less speed into an corner than you possibly could with studs and using the real brakes.

If your out for a Cruise, you can control your speed with Throttle only, but if you are going to do this please keep an look out for Sleds approaching from behind that are using the full capabilities of these sleds(in an safe manor of course)....

Nothing annoys me more than People who drive with throttle only go slow into the corners holding everyone up and then hammer the throttle coming out, destroying the trail, especially without studs and an 4 stroke = lots of track spin and big trenches!

Personally I think our trails would stay in an lot better shape if everyone ran studs, non studded sleds can just destroy trails

 

[ReX]

Unless the Nytro has much bigger brakes than the Apex, I would definitely want the engine braking to be there 100%.

Even with the engine braking, when we're riding really hard it is not uncommon for us to get our brakes smoking hot, even glowing red hot with sparks shooting off the pads under hard braking. We're often playing on the edge of severe brake fade.

I couldn't imagine loosing the engine braking on my RTX and trying to ride it the same way (actually I could imagine it - brake fade, boiling brake fluid, worn out brakes...).

These days I bring an extra pair of brake pads along on our "aggressive" high mileage saddle bag trips. The pads are easy to swap trailside.

One of the best things about the strong engine braking on our sleds is once the brake pads are worn right down to metal on metal, we can still ride surprisingly well only using the brakes for emergency use (no braking coming into most corners - if we take it easy).

Hopefully there will be a way to deactivate this system on the Nytro by the time I pick one up (assuming I do).

 

[Brander]

I'm coming off an 06 apex and i was quick to learn how to use EB to my advantage. Ive got an 09 SE now and before i rode it i read alot about the EBRS (engine breaking Reduction System) thinking the SE was going to coast alot more then the Apex. Well after my first ride on the SE I can hardly find a difference between it and the apex. Does this have anything to do with having to break in the engine before I see a noticeable difference?

I read on here somewhere that the feel of EBRS is so close to a two stroke that only 4 strokers will notice the difference as the two stokes will be more accustomed to the coast feeling. I couldn't disagree more.

 

[stndinup]

I’m pretty sure it could be adjusted with an aftermarket ECU. I know you can do it on the R1 by using a Magnelli Marelli ECU. I don’t think they make ECU's for sleds but they do make them for R1's and R6's. It would take a jumper harness between the stock Yamaha connectors and the Marelli ECU. I do know the Marelli ECU's for the bikes are big bucks though. Motec and Bazzaz Performance also have ECU's. These are all for bikes but could be used on sleds with the right programming and jumper harnesses. They have been on the top factory road racing bikes for the last 5 years.