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I have been riding for 3 years 2 years on this sled it is totally stock. I primerilly trail ride but I would like to do a little off trail. However I keep getting stuck.I am going to extend the sled the guy who is going to do this says I should go to tracks usa get a 144" studded track with a tipped up rail. Also that I should get a shotgun cooler to fix my overheating problems.I also spoke to Tom At Hartman inc.He says his flat 136" is a better approach and just add scratchers on the skiis.Could anyone please give me some input.The sled has 2,000 miles on it so I want to keep it a while I want the better product .

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I would have xtx skids here and an xtx extension. The xtx tunnel extension fits right onto the 121 tunnel. Also have several used ripsaw 144 tracks.
Extending your 121 gives you more track but does not improve the approach angle. The xtx skid has a better approach angle to get the sled on top of snow.
Extending your 121 gives you more track but does not improve the approach angle. The xtx skid has a better approach angle to get the sled on top of snow.

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Relocate the skid to improve the track's approach angle so the sled doesn't trench then add 4" rail extensions from Tracks USA. This will allow for a 136" track install which is ideal for trail and the occasional deep snow. I prefer the prestudded Ice Attack for trail use but they are pricey. I think the 144" is a bit to long for trail use, especially if you have a lot of tight trails. A 136" also fits in a 10' enclosed trailer and the 144" typical needs at least a 12' for proper transportation.






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I went 136 and my buddy went 144. When it gets tight in a trail he has a harder time turning. Not much more but it is noticable I think 144 gets too long, 136 is the perfect length ...
I'd go Grizz's route with the relocation and 136" track. If you get good snow where you are I might consider a 1.75" backcountry and forego the studs. If you get a lot of ice where you ride, you'll have to go shorter lug and studs. I went 1.5" stud-less and cut out the exchanger protectors. Wish I would've gone with a 1.75".
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Thank you for all the input. I have done a lot of research and read lots of posts.The 2 things I found out is almost everyone has a different opinion and no matter what I pick it will be an improvement. I did get some good ideas.I'm going to go with the 136" ice attack. I didn't even think of fitting in the trailer and I occasionally ride tight trails that can be icy. I think it will be fine for the little off trail I do. Also putting simmons gen 1 skis saw lots of opinions on skis.I will let you know how it goes. Won't know till I try right . Thanks again everyone.This is a great site.

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The 136" ice attack is a good choice for trail use and yes, it definitely will be an improvement over stock.
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You made the right choice...both in length and track.
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I personally don't find the 144 that bad in tight trails. Remember the XTX has tipped up rails on the ends so on hard pack the back of the track isn't even touching. My 2 cents as I live where there is a lot of tight trails.
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Was going to mention that. on a fresh groom pack with my ripsaw the last couple lugs which make it a 144 instead of a 136 dont make contact with the snow. A few of them make partial contact. I think putting on a 144 extension on a 121 thats not tipped up would feel full length but the tip up 144 on the xtx feels like my friends 136 imhoI personally don't find the 144 that bad in tight trails. Remember the XTX has tipped up rails on the ends so on hard pack the back of the track isn't even touching. My 2 cents as I live where there is a lot of tight trails.
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On a side note how many miles are ppl seeing with the ice attach track 144" track? I really want to stud but a 1.5" is really pushing it for studs. The ice attack seems like a good option for more paddle and ice traction. only time they woudl see ice is if snow conditions are bad specifically late season.
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if you want to go off trail I suggest either an xtx skid or a star suspension relocated stock skid with 136 extensions to make a 144, the later is what I have done and don't bother with ski scratchers use flex cable rail scratchers. I tried ski scatchers and they didn't do enough and I also have the mountain tunnel cooler. I used a single ply 1 3/4 back country which I paid 400 for. It lasted about two seasons but now is missing too many lugs, I guess the turbo is a lot of power for it. I just recently purchased a two ply backcountry snowcross track that I will be installing. My sled handles well but I have concept a-arms which make the skis 4.5 in forward and adjustable camber and caster.
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