xcsp
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Ordered up a set of the Type 3- 6" carbide wearbars, some 3/8" ski-savers and shims for my non-studded Apex. Was told the 1/4" shims are working well.
My question is, anyone using a similar set-up, work well? Is the 1/4" shim okay, or too much?
Thanks
My question is, anyone using a similar set-up, work well? Is the 1/4" shim okay, or too much?
Thanks
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XCSP,
I am using that setup on my ER but did not try the Ski savers yet. I started with total stock, then added Shims and rode, then the triple point
(oops, are you going with Good and Ugly's or Triple Points?) 6"'s. I may now add the ski savers to try them out but had no darting problems and good hook up with this setup. Now my problem is that I can slide the rear end around too much so 96 studs are going on next (trail rider so I don't need tons of studs). One wierd thing (might have been the snow type) is that it seems like a had a lot of squeaking sounds from the skis. Did not affect the ride though, and definitely got good gas milage so not a substantial friction issue. Not sure if the new carbides cause that?
Let me know how you make out with yours.
Dave
I am using that setup on my ER but did not try the Ski savers yet. I started with total stock, then added Shims and rode, then the triple point
(oops, are you going with Good and Ugly's or Triple Points?) 6"'s. I may now add the ski savers to try them out but had no darting problems and good hook up with this setup. Now my problem is that I can slide the rear end around too much so 96 studs are going on next (trail rider so I don't need tons of studs). One wierd thing (might have been the snow type) is that it seems like a had a lot of squeaking sounds from the skis. Did not affect the ride though, and definitely got good gas milage so not a substantial friction issue. Not sure if the new carbides cause that?
Let me know how you make out with yours.
Dave
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My bro is running 6 Brgstroms w/ the shim but no ski saver. His sled rails thru the corners and has very little darting...Great all around setup for trail riding 
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Bergstrom 6" triple points on Attak with shims, no ski savers. Steers great and minimal darting. Does push in the corners with fluffy new snow, but that is the stock ski and not the carbides.
JERSEYJOE
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I have to be honest here. I bought the 6 inch triples with the 1/4 skisaver and it darted so much I could not drive it. I took them off and replaced them with Woody's Doolies and the thing was 100% better. Just reporting what happened to me. I have two sets of the Bergstroms that I can't use. Called Scott and he said to send them back for a full credit. That was pretty good of him. I am not a complainer, and I like the concept of the tripe carbide set-up. In their defense I should try it without the ski saver. In the slushy conditions I was in it seemed like the combination of the bar and the ski saver hung down too deep in the snow causing too much bite in the slush. Sled was VERY heavy steering and in the corners it would require a lot of input before it finally turned and then it would oversteer.
I did have the shims installed also.
Just my 2cents
Jersey
I have to be honest here. I bought the 6 inch triples with the 1/4 skisaver and it darted so much I could not drive it. I took them off and replaced them with Woody's Doolies and the thing was 100% better. Just reporting what happened to me. I have two sets of the Bergstroms that I can't use. Called Scott and he said to send them back for a full credit. That was pretty good of him. I am not a complainer, and I like the concept of the tripe carbide set-up. In their defense I should try it without the ski saver. In the slushy conditions I was in it seemed like the combination of the bar and the ski saver hung down too deep in the snow causing too much bite in the slush. Sled was VERY heavy steering and in the corners it would require a lot of input before it finally turned and then it would oversteer.
I did have the shims installed also.
Just my 2cents
Jersey
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I have no darting, or pushing. Easy steering, and goes where I point it. I have stock skis, and stock 4" bars with 1,500 miles. They are also about half worn out, so I have my usual 6" bergstroms with ski savers, and shims, ready to go on. The bergstroms wear good, and this set-up probably reduces darting when you get into the conditions where any sled will dart.
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JERSEYJOE:
You had way too much pressure on the skis. Loosening off the ski springs, loosening off the straps, increasing the transfer, or all of the above would fix it.
You had way too much pressure on the skis. Loosening off the ski springs, loosening off the straps, increasing the transfer, or all of the above would fix it.
JERSEYJOE
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Thanks Lazy Bastard! I really want those triples to work so I am going to give it a try. Is it possible that it could be darting in one snoow condition such as slush, and fine on fresh powder? I think that the Doolies work but they are a band aid for improper set-up
Thanks Lazy Bastard! I really want those triples to work so I am going to give it a try. Is it possible that it could be darting in one snoow condition such as slush, and fine on fresh powder? I think that the Doolies work but they are a band aid for improper set-up
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Re: Bergstrom skegs
JJ, LB is 100% dead-on correct in telling you tou have WAY too much weight on the front of that sled. How far have you taken the limiter straps up?
I put the Bergstrom triples, the shims and the ski savers on last year and could not believe the difference! My '04 Warrior handles like it is on RAILS.
Sure you can use "brute force" and use the Dooleys to "fix" the darting but that is like using the proverbial A-Bomb to get rid of a bee's nest. Those things put down so much footprint that it is amazing that the sled can turn. And the sleds behind you will likely be sucked into the ruts your skis leave.
There are also more and more reports on this forum (and others) about accidents when Dooley's get caught on something like a spike at a RR crossing or a root or rock in the trail. Skis/front suspension parts get ripped off when those things catch.
I am not convinced from an engneering standpoint that they are really fixing a problem.
Be aware and be careful with them.
JERSEYJOE said:
JJ, LB is 100% dead-on correct in telling you tou have WAY too much weight on the front of that sled. How far have you taken the limiter straps up?
I put the Bergstrom triples, the shims and the ski savers on last year and could not believe the difference! My '04 Warrior handles like it is on RAILS.
Sure you can use "brute force" and use the Dooleys to "fix" the darting but that is like using the proverbial A-Bomb to get rid of a bee's nest. Those things put down so much footprint that it is amazing that the sled can turn. And the sleds behind you will likely be sucked into the ruts your skis leave.
There are also more and more reports on this forum (and others) about accidents when Dooley's get caught on something like a spike at a RR crossing or a root or rock in the trail. Skis/front suspension parts get ripped off when those things catch.
I am not convinced from an engneering standpoint that they are really fixing a problem.
Be aware and be careful with them.
xcsp
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Bergstrom Skegs
I'm going with the "Good & Ugly" for now.
I see LB mentions loosening the front shocks, as I have heard this before elsewhere. Can someone tell me what this really does? I haven't touched the front shock adjustment, yet.
I'm hoping the ski savers do just that as the skis do show wear even in the few miles(750) I have on the sled.
I appreciate everyone's feedback on this topic!!
I'm going with the "Good & Ugly" for now.
I see LB mentions loosening the front shocks, as I have heard this before elsewhere. Can someone tell me what this really does? I haven't touched the front shock adjustment, yet.
I'm hoping the ski savers do just that as the skis do show wear even in the few miles(750) I have on the sled.
I appreciate everyone's feedback on this topic!!
ReX
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One thing to keep in mind. Loosening the front shocks unfortunately doesn't reduce ski pressure on sleds running the monoshock suspension (all 06 Apex/Attak's included).
With a traditional suspension you can tune the front pressure because there is a center shock/spring. With the mono there is a virtual pivot point mid skid and that's all you've got. You have to tune the effects of ski pressure by changing carbides and skis and where the weight sits on the sled (rider position, trunk/nose storage, etc.).
Backing off on the front springs lowers the front end and will make cornering better (less roll), but will have little effect on ski pressure.
With a traditional suspension you can tune the front pressure because there is a center shock/spring. With the mono there is a virtual pivot point mid skid and that's all you've got. You have to tune the effects of ski pressure by changing carbides and skis and where the weight sits on the sled (rider position, trunk/nose storage, etc.).
Backing off on the front springs lowers the front end and will make cornering better (less roll), but will have little effect on ski pressure.
30below
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Bergstrums triple point,shims and skisavers.80% darting gone,but slides a little when running hard in corners.
