Has anyone else heard this....

[jdinny]

I am fortunate in my area to have four dealers that are both Yamaha and Cat as well as two that are Yamaha and Polaris as well so you can compare side by side on the show room floor and ask questions of people who no vested interest in BSing you of the benifits of one over the other, (they will sell you either).
After spending about 3 hours with one of those dealers yesterday and takeing a good look at 2013 models side by side.
From 10 feet away they both look good, upclose and personal the Yamaha is a (little better).
Fuel injectors, check specs in brochure (same as Nytro).
Fuel mapping ECU/ECM done by Cat with Yamaha guidance.
Wireing harness, I have never heard or Cat having issues ( thats a Polaris problem)
IMO Viper or 7000 will both be good sleds, advantage to Yamaha only because of clutches (belt life).

I agree, although the new cat clutches will be fine with 137 hp, but I do like the Yamaha clutches.
I like the blue and white 137. That's what my wife will be riding next winter.
She rode the Viper demo and said the fuel map was definitely not right, I rode the ZR7000 and it was spot on. We all know both will be right on production models.
We've dissected both of them. They are identical sleds aside from plastic, shocks, and clutching.
I want one boosted!

 

[awolb69]

It is a yammi efi controlled by a cat ecu,saw it with my own eyes and our 5star dealer confirmed it,on the proto sled

Exactly! I cant belive all the guys on here that keep saying this is a AC EFI system. Its not, never has been, and never will be. It is the same throttle bodies and injectors that have been used on the Nytro 3 cylinder all along. The ECU and wiring going to them is from AC. And even that is just a spec written by AC. The actual electronics (ecu box/wiring) are made by Denso in Japan. I do believe they also make Yamaha's electronics.

 

[09nytro]

awolb69,
I think you are right on that last statement

 

[jdinny]

Nice thing about that AC ecu, it's programmable.

 

[snoway]

It is a yammi efi controlled by a cat ecu,saw it with my own eyes and our 5star dealer confirmed it,on the proto sled

Exactly! I cant belive all the guys on here that keep saying this is a AC EFI system. Its not, never has been, and never will be. It is the same throttle bodies and injectors that have been used on the Nytro 3 cylinder all along. The ECU and wiring going to them is from AC. And even that is just a spec written by AC. The actual electronics (ecu box/wiring) are made by Denso in Japan. I do believe they also make Yamaha's electronics.

Just sayin...the cat 7000 we demoed WOULD NOT STAY RUNNING....My 2010 nytro never hiccups....EFI...ECU...ABC....123 ...!@#...I don't give a RIP!!...LOL...the DEMO WOULD NOT RUN off throttle.
Make all the excuses you want, but in alla the Yamaha demos I have attended over the past 15 years, the motors ran flawlessly just as my 2010 Nytro does....as my 05 Rage does...as my 05 RX-1 does as my 02 VIPER does and as my 08 Vector GT "mock up" still does 15,000 mile later and this new union between cat and Yamaha can't send out THE proven Yamaha, built for the snow, 9 model year old, 3 cylinder gem of a motor for the public to druel on in a new chassis without it conkin out???....PLEEEEASE!!!! ...Lets get real!

 

[Nytro40th]

I am not concerned.

 

[snoway]

blind faith is like falling in love with a hooker.

 

[Nytro40th]

I took a gamble on the 08 nytro lol, the viper will have a 3 year warranty

 

[snoway]

I keep hearing about a 5 year warranty. is that a spring order perk?

 

[09nytro]

Well....if you think about it ....its really not a first year sled...engine has been out for6 years and the chassis for 3.....its just the first time for engine and chassis together

 

[2lapsdown]

I took a gamble on the 08 nytro lol, the viper will have a 3 year warranty

You were a gambling man for sure!lol! People have to remember that these are demo sleds. Yamaha was only very recently was given access to this chassis to work with. The demos are cobbled together, ridden by some real tools from the "media", and maintained by not the finest minds in the industry. Everybody just try to relax! The chassis is an tremendous upgrade, the motor has always been fine, and there is a reason the ecu is the way it is.....and they are not done messing around with that. Have a beer and relax....or stick with what you have.

 

[Yamacat21]

I took a gamble on the 08 nytro lol, the viper will have a 3 year warranty

You were a gambling man for sure!lol! People have to remember that these are demo sleds. Yamaha was only very recently was given access to this chassis to work with. The demos are cobbled together, ridden by some real tools from the "media", and maintained by not the finest minds in the industry. Everybody just try to relax! The chassis is an tremendous upgrade, the motor has always been fine, and there is a reason the ecu is the way it is.....and they are not done messing around with that. Have a beer and relax....or stick with what you have.

Here here!!! I think I will have a beer. Thanks for the idea. Lol.

 

[Dano]

I really don't get the cat 7000 vs Viper thing. The same people building the cat is the same people building the Viper. I doubt their will be an army of blue japs flown in when it's blue panel wednesday at the cat plant. A monkey can bolt on any clutch, whether its a cat clutch or yamie.
I wouldn't be scared to own a cat 7000 or Viper.

Dan

 

[Yamacat21]

I keep hearing about a 5 year warranty. is that a spring order perk?

Three years comes with snow check and I purchased two more years for 200 bucks. Seemed like cheap insurance. And yes two extra years only offered through snow check.

 

[13NytroXTX]

The ZR7000 and the Vipers are the same sled.
No different bolts and nuts, no different fuel maps, no different chaincase.
Yamaha clutches, Yamaha splines on the j-shaft, different plastic and different shocks. That's it.
It's gonna be a real nice sled, especially boosted!

the chaincase has been improved alot by yamaha and cat will be using there changes aswell..fuel maps are different between the two companys ..there are no doubt diff fasteners..and bolts have been upgraded in rear suspemsion for both companys...j-shaft has not been changed there using cats..you are right about clutchs and plastic though hahahha and the plastic is not very different they only cut the part that goes down around the front off..

Negative ghost rider. They're the same sled except the differences I stated. We sell 'em both.I'd be pretty hard to get a Yamaha clutch on a cat splined j-shaft, haha
Have a great day

Not to be a dick, but so what if you sell them both. Even if you had the viper and zr7000 side by side in your showroom to compare, they were both prototypes or pre production sleds, not the final product. So to say whats actually different and whats actually the same is just like almost everything else people are saying about the viper, myself included, speculation. Im not saying your wrong or right nor am I saying Im wrong or right, but until they are delivered to the dealers or Yamaha releases something that says the differences between the two, who knows what we will end up with.