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Has anyone ever gotten a ticket with an Excell exhaust?

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I think in February or March of 08' the new Michigan noise law was signed in. So I believe next season is going to be the real test of what's acceptable and what's not.
 

Superman said:
I think in February or March of 08' the new Michigan noise law was signed in. So I believe next season is going to be the real test of what's acceptable and what's not.

A few weeks ago I spoke with the President of the MSA (Michigan Snowmobile Association) Don Reed also the owner of the Fox River Motel in Seney Mi. He gave me a run down on the new noise law here in Michigan. The exhaust will have to be no louder then 88 dB's at 4,000 RPM's taken from 12 feet away. He said that what they are trying to crack down on are those individuals who feel the need to bark the engine in town or late at night in residential area or when just cursing through town or getting gas etc. They are looking for the obnoxious riders. He also told me that he rides with someone that has an Excell pipe and that the Excell will not have a problem meeting the requirements.
 
I talked with Don at the beginning of April. He didn't get into specifics but the MSA was happy with the new law. He said a big problem passing the law was how many legislators are Harley owners. So it sounded like you had some double standard going on with this decision. I don't know if this new law effects motorcyles.
 
MarkRTX said:
Just one quick point from a Harley rider. I will take any advantage I can get, I'm talking exhaust but there are other things, to make me noticed by cagers. How many complain of the logging trucks and semis running straight pipes not many but everyone complains about bikes but guess what when that dumbass on their cell phone doesn't look to change lanes or drifts over I can pull the clutch and wack the throttle and they hear me. When you use the horn they simply think that the other person will get over it. I do believe that there is a balance. but to say ban pipes is bull. Ride even 3000 miles in a bikers shoes and you WILL understand. Enough said

They been cracking down everywhere on semi's and straight pipes.
They legally have to have 1 muffler.
 
dirkdiggler said:
Any Snowmobile Stock or Modified at 2:00 in the morning is loud. Noise Laws are a joke in My book. What they really need to do is have Riding times. They have them in Munising. That will help with angry land owners.

If they brought out riding times around here I'd be very unimpressed.

I wouldn't have a problem if between 10PM and 7AM, only very quiet sleds could be ridden though.

There isn't a good reason for our sleds to be as loud as they are - stock. Yamaha could easily drop the sound levels closer to car levels if they wanted to. It might cut a tiny bit of HP, but hardly any if done right.

88dB @4000 rpm is still far too loud and would be easy to pass, even with a loud exhaust. Our sleds aren't even rideable at 4000 rpm so this measure doesn't do anything really. Also, defining the allowable sound level at a specific rpm doesn't work if a sled uses a crank rpm reduction gearing like the Apex does.

The only thing that makes sense is sound levels at a certain distance when riding at specific speeds. To me the sound levels should be extremely low; quiet enough that a sled should be difficult to hear from inside a quiet home when a sled rides down a trail only 60 feet away at a constant 30-50 mph. Most high performance cars are not loud when ridden on the road at constant speeds, so why should sleds be?
 
A little common sense is all we need. People who want to be abnoxious and not respect other people should be affected by these laws. I have turned moose and deer away from a sure accident with a whack of the throttle. When I ride with friends on two smokes with cans and pipes I am sure to inform them that being an idiot and causing un-necessary noise in populated areas is not acceptable and it is going to hurt the rest of us. For the most part we all understand the difference of performance and someone who feels that they need attention by making alot of noise. Whether it is a motor cycle, atv, or a snowmobile, these are all symbols of our freedom which is a right. We have to chill out on judging one another, before long there will be no individuality. If the harleys can get away with saying "loud pipes saves lives", in which I think makes very good sense, then it should go for snowmobiles as well.
 
If the Harley's can get away with saying "loud pipes saves lives", in which I think makes very good sense, then it should go for snowmobiles as well.

It's been said before and I will repeat if you don't understand. Harley's ride on police sanctioned roads, individuals have little authority over Harley's or any other road user than reporting objections to the police.

Snowmobile trails are mostly on private property and the owner has the right to close his section of trail at will. Noise as well as not staying on the trail are the 2 most likely causes of shutting any or all sections down.
 
To me common sense says if you want to be able to scare away moose and deer, the logical addition is a super loud horn - not a loud exhaust.

I'd rather be on my brakes than on the gas if there was a moose in the middle of the trail in front of me anyway.
 
Suprising 1500 pound animals with a blow horn or letting them know something is approaching a few hundred yards away? I get the point that no one wants to listen to some abnoxious idiot at 11 pm spinning through town. But punishing responsible hobbyists who respect landowners seems to be the majority here. A few bad apples have hurt the rest of us. Most of the people who vote these laws in are people who want the whole sport to be outlawed. It is unfortunate that the people who claim to be snowmobile advocates are helping these people do just that. This is one more step in that direction. Where will it stop? As for this thread, I have a rumble pack and I have not had a problem with law enforcement.....yet. My four-stroke with a performance exhaust is about the same as a stock 2-smoke. In Maine the law is that you must keep your exhaust stock regardless of sound, even if it makes it more quiet. The law went from a db requirement to a stock only law because the state didn't want to equip their wardens with db meters. Do you see where these laws can go? We are loosing our sport and the freedoms that come with it. Stop drinking the cool-aid they are selling you and take a look at the big picture.
 
I have looked at the big picture.

You are missing the point that there are many individuals who don't want to hear sleds blasting down the field near their house at 2 PM on Sunday too.

These same people don't want to hear loud bikes on the street either, but they can't do anything about it. Since they own the field, all they need to do is say "no" to the local club next year and their loud (to them) sled problem is solved.

I would be absolutely amazed if you have never bothered a single person with your loud exhaust - even if you do take it easy at 11 PM in town.

As far as your loud exhaust not being much louder than a stock 2-stroke, I find that hard to believe. My 100% stock Apex is at least as loud as the 2-strokes I ride with; especially from the rear. They are all too loud for land owners where the trails ride beside their homes.

Unless sled sound levels come down to typical car sound levels, we will always be bothering someone when we go sledding. I don't have a major problem with that (as long as it isn't late at night), but what I do have a problem with is closed trails.

To be honest, around here, loud sleds are only half the problem. Talking with land owners, 1/2 of them close down their trails because of the sound and 1/2 of them close them down due to something being stolen from their back barn or vandalism. We don't know if sledders are doing it, but with the trail closed and fenced off the owner is less likely to loose stuff next year.

One thing for certain is if sleds were as quiet as cars, it would only help the trail access situation. As long as the HP was still up there, we'd have just as much fun too - more probably since we'd have more trails to ride on and wouldn't need to worry about the noise near homes.
 
I agree to disagree. I appreciate the healthy debate, we are fortunate to be able to discuss such issues from different corners of the northern hemisphere. I heard a good quote when I was a young fella. "Opinions are like a**-holes...every body has one."lol This is off the subject but I am curious how your anti-ratch drivers work and who is the manufacturer. Please pm me if you get a chance.
 
insane said:
I agree to disagree. I appreciate the healthy debate, we are fortunate to be able to discuss such issues from different corners of the northern hemisphere. I heard a good quote when I was a young fella. "Opinions are like a**-holes...every body has one."lol This is off the subject but I am curious how your anti-ratch drivers work and who is the manufacturer. Please pm me if you get a chance.

Skidoo.

They work extremely well as far as ratcheting is concerned. I haven't noticed any change in performance.

I do wonder if there might be a little more noise in certain conditions though. Quiet compared to the stock exhaust though....
 
Yes, but now I heard, you can't get them any more? You have to buy the whole axle and I'm not sure it will work on a ski-doo.
 
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