i cant take it

[madthumper]

So.....it's too much to expect an entry level sled be suitable for entry level riders?

 

[cannondale27]

No but entry level riders need to ride like entry level riders.

 

[soul_hammer]

i dont have an issue with anyone who comes on and can take some advise but we have had quite a few this year that just want to blame the sled and whine. Madthumper just because its "cheap" doesnt mean it is a beginners sled.

 

[Ruckus]

The Phazer is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key.

 

[snomaniac]

The problem is the 500 motor, people associate that with entry level. Just cause it's yamahas lowest cc sled it's perceived as a newbie ride. If anyone saw the ad campaign with jimmy blaze flyin,flippin and 360in' the thing they might have got a clue. The vector is the more conventional trail sled. ( a good one at that)
Great post soul hammer, obviously a ton of us are with you.

 

[phaze5]

i have the key,

 

[Ricketts]

The problem is the 500 motor, people associate that with entry level. Just cause it's yamahas lowest cc sled it's perceived as a newbie ride. If anyone saw the ad campaign with jimmy blaze flyin,flippin and 360in' the thing they might have got a clue. The vector is the more conventional trail sled. ( a good one at that)
Great post soul hammer, obviously a ton of us are with you.

Good point. 5 years ago the only 500cc sled that had 80hp was a two stroke. 15 years ago a 500cc sled was a pretty big machine.

I never thought of the Phazer as a entry level sled, but I knew what I was getting into when I bought it.

Pretty wild these days that Yamaha's smallest sled is a 500...I want my Bravo!

 

[karl]

Ruckus, I think it is the ignition key. Once started the Phazer shatters the enigma, unwraps the mystery and the riddle is solved.

 

[Motoman765]

Yeah I remember those days. My buddy in high school had a Bravo 250cc. Another one had a Spit Fire 340cc. And my other ridding buddy had an old Skidoo something or other that had the carb sticking out the back and he would keep getting his scarf stuck in it. lol My parents had AC's back in those days. My sister had a Lynx 250cc, mine was a Jag 340cc, Mom's was a Trail Cat 340cc, and my Dad had the big power sled that was scary, he had the El Tigre 500cc. That was a monster back then, and it was liquid cooled. WOW! Oh crap, now I feel old. That was more than 15 years ago as you spoke of. Man why did you do that to me. So yeah, thinking of the 500 Phazer as entry level is kinda funny.

 

[couch]

Agreed .... phazer is not an entry levels sled ... just happens to be the smallest and least expensive in the Yamaha line up - excepting the Bravo which is still sold in Canada. Yamaha needs an "entry" level sled to fill the void for new and inexperienced riders - maybe something like a redesigned Ovation which is raly planted, not too fast, not too heavy and great for kids.

Yes it took a bit of time to figure it out but once you do its a blast. For first time riders it may not be the best choice unless they intend to ride it instead of driving it.

A good alternative as an "entry" level sled for novice riders would most likely be the new ski doo Tundra or Polaris Trail Touring.

 

[marpolsdofer]

My first sled 5 years ago was a 79 AC panter 5000 (500cc). It tooks ome work to get it wirking, then I melted the pistion, next yea had to do carb wokr ever week I was doing something to it. That is when I started to hate 2 strokes. Got another sled and had problem with that two. Bought the phazer and had to learn how to ride a sled over again. .

 

[80h4thephaze]

A machine will perform as it is designed to. If it is not used correctly, the way it is meant to, how is it the machines fault when it was not desinged in that manner. It is the fault of the controller. Just common sense.
But that doesn't meean you can't have fun. Just do it in the right manner. Ex: Boondock with lots of snow, nothing but soft stuff to fall in.

 

[woolyviper]

yamaha will have a bravo sled for 2011 - and no, the phazer is not an entry level sled. i came off of a viper to ride my phazer - i can ride any sled i want- 80 hp or not, if i'm on your tail going in a corner, i can push your flap in if i want. this is my 3rd season on a phazer and have mine setup just right for trail riding.

 

[BombaPolaYama]

Agreed .... phazer is not an entry levels sled ... just happens to be the smallest and least expensive in the Yamaha line up - excepting the Bravo which is still sold in Canada. Yamaha needs an "entry" level sled to fill the void for new and inexperienced riders - maybe something like a redesigned Ovation which is raly planted, not too fast, not too heavy and great for kids.

Yes it took a bit of time to figure it out but once you do its a blast. For first time riders it may not be the best choice unless they intend to ride it instead of driving it.

A good alternative as an "entry" level sled for novice riders would most likely be the new ski doo Tundra or Polaris Trail Touring.

Both those are 550's, but true they probably wouldn't be so tippy if that is what you mean.

 

[yamahas]

I just started gettting into snowmobiling last season. I bought for my first sled a zl800 and had no problem controling the 800cc engine. I only rode about 500km cause it was always in the shop so i dont feel like im that good of a rider. I got tierd of the repairs and went out and bought a RTX cause i found a great deal. As soon as i got on the trail i realised it was a tipy sled so i relaxed in the corners untill i was able to feel the way the sled work you know? I do not think that Yamaha would add a sled to their lineup for an "entry" level rider. By the end of the break in period i was compleatly comfortable wit hthe phazer, it dosent take long at all.

at least i dont think I would buy an entry sled when i know that after at the max 500km(a good week end) i would have lernt the sled enough to controle it.