importing new yamaha to canada

[jimmie d]

If you have a lot of time to waste the Customs Act refers to Fair Market Value or what the item would sell for in Canada. The guys at the bnorder are too busy to care but at an inland port they have the time to do a through inspection and tax assessment.

Jim

 

[Sled Dog]

In the download I posted earlier which is right from Customs Canada's website the math is straight forward. It is not like I am bringing in a $250,000 motorhome. I think you will be up and out of there in no time actually. I am going to call Stu (Praire Dog) he brought in a sled from the US and had no problems.

 

[JDKRXW]

Not sure what they would do if you said you paid cash. Probably nothing.

....Nope......they will do something. If something is obviously 'fishey' they will phone the person or business you purchased the sled or boat from, identify themselves. and ask THEM how much you paid. This happened to a buddy of mine, with baaaad results on a big camper he was importing from AZ. His good deal wasn't so great by the time he got it home (the fine was something like 2X the taxes owing) + the additional taxes.
- another thing I know they will do with new 'stuff' like sleds or tools etc. if something isn't looking right......like you can't produce a receipt, is phone the manufacturer and ask them for the MSRP. They'll then charge you the tax on THIS amount. I know people that this has happened to also
(it seems like I know a lot of shady peeps.)

 

[ReX]

One thing you guys need to be aware of is Yamaha Canada and Yamaha USA have a legal agreement not to allow their dealers to sell across the border.

Both Yamaha Canada and Yamaha USA also have legal agreements with their dealers for them not to sell across the border.

Both Yamaha Canada and Yamaha USA also turn a blind eye to quite a few of their dealers and let them "get away" with cross border sales in relatively small quantities.

If we post on the Internet which dealers are still doing it, those dealers will quickly be forced to shut down any cross border sales.

Hopefully the Yamaha's (Canada and USA) will someday get their pricing sorted out and there won't be a need to cross border shop. For now lets not go screwing any dealers by posting about them on the Internet...

 

[hlmrx1]

Yamaha along with the other three major manufactures have their pricing sorted out, they claim the market will bare it up here, so they charge more and it's not the dealers that make the money, it's the manufacturers.

 

[underpowerphazermtn]

1-at the border 209$ processing fees.
2-import tax(yamaha is japanese manufacturer)
6% on top of conversion paid price.
3-gst
4-canadian tire inspection 50$
5-provincial security inspection to get registration
125$
6- pst
7- gas,meal to go get the snowmobile ??
8-no warranty in canada.....

do you think it is worth it?

just my .02¢

 

[APEXLIGHTNING]

$209 processing fee is correct. yamaha is a japanise company but they are on the list of manufactures permitted into canada with no duties. the $50 ctc inspection is paid by the government(at least it was when we did it) and there is no security inspection(what ever that is) in ontario at least. so all you actually have to pay is $209 at the border, gst at the border, and pst. is it worth it? well i do know that if i had known about this in march my apex wouldent have been bought in canada.

 

[sicilien]

$209 processing fee is correct. yamaha is a japanise company but they are on the list of manufactures permitted into canada with no duties. the $50 ctc inspection is paid by the government(at least it was when we did it) and there is no security inspection(what ever that is) in ontario at least. so all you actually have to pay is $209 at the border, gst at the border, and pst. is it worth it? well i do know that if i had known about this in march my apex wouldent have been bought in canada.

The ctc, assuming it is canadian tire, is the safety inspection, they verify all lights, vin number...

 

[ReX]

It is $206.70 total ($195 + GST). There are no other fees or duties, other than the cost of driving there to get the sled. The inspection is paid for as part of the $195. By the time you've registered it you will have paid the PST and GST on the purchase price (or if the Canadian customs agent thinks the sled would be more expensive in Canada you might pay taxes on a slightly higher value), just like you would if you purchased it in Canada.

One drawback is you can't just run out and pick up the sled and go sledding. You have to:

1. Forward the statement of origin to US Customs at the border you plan to cross at 3 days in advance (you may have to pay for the sled at this point to do this).
2. Pay for and Pick up the sled (no tax paid).
3. Pick up the now approved for export statement of origin from US Customs.
4. Fill out the RIV form and pay GST plus the $195 at Canadian Customs.
5. Request and receive the Yamaha USA recall compliance letter.
6. Take it in for inspection (many approved locations, including all Canadian Tires).
7. Go to the license bureau to register it in your name and pay PST.
8. Plus your then you're supposed to wait until you receive the RIV compliance sticker to stick on the sled (but Yamaha's currently arrive with the necessary Canadian and US compliance stickers already attached).

You will spend a few hours and probably close to a week getting all of that taken care of.

Check http://www.riv.ca for more details.

As far as the drive, for many of us it's about the same time to drive to a previous Canadian dealer or a dealer in the US (there are many close to the border). The one drawback is crossing the border with a sled can sometimes cause delays and you need to make sure you have all the paperwork with you.

You can't get your sled repaired in Canada under warranty, but you can get a very inexpensive 5 year bumper to bumper warranty with no 12,500 mile limit in the US. If a motor or something major goes your covered for a full 5 years.

On the other hand, if something small goes it might be easier to grab the parts at a local dealer and just pay the few bucks and replace it yourself. The amount you saved with current prices should cover this.

It's sounds like a lot of work and hassle and it is to some extent. Only you can decide if it's worthwhile or not for you.

 

[APEXLIGHTNING]

if you are buying a new (never registered) snowmobile you do not have to send the paperwork in ahead of time. the only time you need to send the paperwork in ahead of time is when you are buying a used sled. this is so the us customs can check if there are and leins owing on the machine or if it is stolen. since the sled is new, it has never been owned by any one and there is nothing to check for. no hassel at the border for a new sled, in and out in under 15 min. no personal experience with used, only new.

 

[ReX]

if you are buying a new (never registered) snowmobile you do not have to send the paperwork in ahead of time. the only time you need to send the paperwork in ahead of time is when you are buying a used sled. this is so the us customs can check if there are and leins owing on the machine or if it is stolen. since the sled is new, it has never been owned by any one and there is nothing to check for. no hassel at the border for a new sled, in and out in under 15 min. no personal experience with used, only new.

If you got away without giving them the statement of origin 3 days in advance you did well. They wouldn't let me do it and a buddy of mine got stuck having to take his sled back to the dealer and storing it there for 3 days before he could export it.

Here's the information directly from the Registrar of Import Vehicles:

U.S. Customs requires notification of all self-propelled vehicles being permanently exported from the United States. Their regulations state that at land border points:
1. The required documentation must be submitted to U.S. Customs at least 72 hours prior to export; and
2. The vehicle must be presented to U.S. Customs at the time of export.

 

[NB-NYTRO]

if you are buying a new (never registered) snowmobile you do not have to send the paperwork in ahead of time. the only time you need to send the paperwork in ahead of time is when you are buying a used sled. this is so the us customs can check if there are and leins owing on the machine or if it is stolen. since the sled is new, it has never been owned by any one and there is nothing to check for. no hassel at the border for a new sled, in and out in under 15 min. no personal experience with used, only new.

If you got away without giving them the statement of origin 3 days in advance you did well. They wouldn't let me do it and a buddy of mine got stuck having to take his sled back to the dealer and storing it there for 3 days before he could export it.

Here's the information directly from the Registrar of Import Vehicles:

U.S. Customs requires notification of all self-propelled vehicles being permanently exported from the United States. Their regulations state that at land border points:
1. The required documentation must be submitted to U.S. Customs at least 72 hours prior to export; and
2. The vehicle must be presented to U.S. Customs at the time of export.

I bought my sled used. I didn't present any paperwork to the border ahead of time. Its not really that much work. If you buy a used sled in Canada. You still need to pay the taxes on it anyways. The only drawback I'm having is getting stuff fixed under warranty. I have a found a dealer who is working with me though. So far they have sent me wheels and some new handlbars. I didn't even know the wheels where coming. However they called me and told me I needed them. Pretty good service if you ask me..

 

[JERSEYJOE]

my 2 cents

As far as buying a sled in the US, never paying sales tax and registering it in Canada with say a Quebec trail pass, will not work because they ask you for your resident registration.

We have had guys blow sleds up in Quebec and buy new ones from the dealer and bring them back without any problems

 

[RedRX1]

I have a sled that I bought used from a guy in the US. He never registered it in the US, ran 100% in Quebec. I have the certificate of origin for it that I will surrender when I register it in New York.

Although, if the winter continues to be bad, I may just run it in Ontario.

In the past, they have let me get a trail permit with just producing the insurance card.

 

[APEXLIGHTNING]

if you are buying a new (never registered) snowmobile you do not have to send the paperwork in ahead of time. the only time you need to send the paperwork in ahead of time is when you are buying a used sled. this is so the us customs can check if there are and leins owing on the machine or if it is stolen. since the sled is new, it has never been owned by any one and there is nothing to check for. no hassel at the border for a new sled, in and out in under 15 min. no personal experience with used, only new.

If you got away without giving them the statement of origin 3 days in advance you did well. They wouldn't let me do it and a buddy of mine got stuck having to take his sled back to the dealer and storing it there for 3 days before he could export it.

Here's the information directly from the Registrar of Import Vehicles:

U.S. Customs requires notification of all self-propelled vehicles being permanently exported from the United States. Their regulations state that at land border points:
1. The required documentation must be submitted to U.S. Customs at least 72 hours prior to export; and
2. The vehicle must be presented to U.S. Customs at the time of export.

were you importing a new sled? we stopped at the us customs office on the way over to pick it up and the customes officer confirmed the they dident need the paperwork ahead of time because it had never been registered. i think there are differen rules at the border depending on what kind of mood the guards are in that day. LOL