rindtj said:
I've got 400 miles on mine, but unfortunately there are only 2 other wide kits out there. one is in NY, I don't think they have any snow. The other is in MN and they don't have any snow. Hopefully Skinz will be producing more soon, but I understand until then only having one review is a bummer. But that being said, I couldn't ask for more from mine and feel lucky to have one.
LuckydawgAK
Extreme
Rlcofmn,
Why did you go with a wide one? I have only a 100 miles and love it.. Mine is 39". No effort to roll.
I also noted that you replaced your heim joint already on a different thread. Are these the new and improved or were they the old heim joints. I am on the road on a work trip so I have had no time to follow up but new parts were being shipped for me.
LD
Why did you go with a wide one? I have only a 100 miles and love it.. Mine is 39". No effort to roll.
I also noted that you replaced your heim joint already on a different thread. Are these the new and improved or were they the old heim joints. I am on the road on a work trip so I have had no time to follow up but new parts were being shipped for me.
LD
mattpaige
Veteran
thanks everyone so much for the info. I think I'll get a couple rides in first (if we ever get snow) and then loook into skis and tweaking the suspension. Also.... all the work and upgrades I see being done on here, is everyone doing them themselves? I def do not have the tools or capability to perform most of this stuff myself.
Grizztracks what do you mean by supporting the frame and where would these welds be made, that sounds like a pretty big project. Getting more and more nervous
Grizztracks what do you mean by supporting the frame and where would these welds be made, that sounds like a pretty big project. Getting more and more nervous
Dont be nervous! Just ride the thing and enjoy it! The subframe reinforcement takes all of 5 minutes from what I've read once you have the parts. The Nytro is 10X the bump sled your V Max ever was with an even better motor IMO. Give it some time and get used to it! It has some quirks, yes, but so does any sled. I had a 2000 SRX and I can tell you that unless you are riding smooth trials all the time, once you are on a rider forward sled for some miles, you will never look back!
And if it makes you feel any better, I bought my Nytro planning to ride it for the year and then dumping it to buy a 600 E-Tech X package. After putting the new skis on it, tweaking the suspension a bit and getting used to it, I decided to keep it for another season. I seriously get on the XPs and Rev chassis Doos now and can't wait to trade back so I can ride my Nytro. I absolutely love the way the Nytro handles the big bumps, I can rip in the tight trails standing up and using body english and every small bump I can mash the throttle and bring the front end up just like a dirt bike. It is an absolute blast to ride when you are riding hard. I will say that if you plan on the Nytro being a comfy sit down cruiser, you're going to be disappointed. I like it best riding at 7/10 or 8/10 standing up, pounding through bumps and holding it to the bar in the fields. As I said, for those conditions, the thing is an absolute blast!
And if it makes you feel any better, I bought my Nytro planning to ride it for the year and then dumping it to buy a 600 E-Tech X package. After putting the new skis on it, tweaking the suspension a bit and getting used to it, I decided to keep it for another season. I seriously get on the XPs and Rev chassis Doos now and can't wait to trade back so I can ride my Nytro. I absolutely love the way the Nytro handles the big bumps, I can rip in the tight trails standing up and using body english and every small bump I can mash the throttle and bring the front end up just like a dirt bike. It is an absolute blast to ride when you are riding hard. I will say that if you plan on the Nytro being a comfy sit down cruiser, you're going to be disappointed. I like it best riding at 7/10 or 8/10 standing up, pounding through bumps and holding it to the bar in the fields. As I said, for those conditions, the thing is an absolute blast!
LuckydawgAK said:
There's a few reason's I went with the 42. I wanted something wider for The Hill Climbs in April, This sled is supposed to be more of a set up snow sled and my other for the deep days, And probably the biggest was the opportunity presented itself to get one of the few Kits from OFT. So I couldn't pass it up. Coming from a stock 08 MTX width going to the 42" skinz with my ski's all the way wide. It has performed like a dream so I have no regrets going with a wide kit. I will say that I am going to narrow the ski's up for the current snow conditions we are having. I was riding really lazy today and it was effecting my performance greatly, I think being a little narrower would help in such situations for carving.
I did break a heim joint, it was one of the original batch that is being replaced. To show what caused the failure was a combination of 2 wrecks.
The first ripped the ski bolt out of the spindle and bent my subframe. This left my Lower heim bent a little.
Now with the heim still bent, this happened a few weeks later. I hit a high speed small jump, Landed and instantly hit a boulder under the snow. The impact was the greatest I have ever had and launched the sled 42' before landing. This is what finished it off.
Where my buddy is standing is where the boulder was, the sled is still sitting as it landed.
Now I am running the updated ones, I hope to not do any more testing on there break strength since I know how much it sucked to break the originals.
No more stumps or rocks for me this year. Here is a short vid from today. It's not the best but it does show a little of the side hilling even with the wide front end on less than great snow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn8gHocP ... AAAAAAAAAA
As far as handling on the trails. I did not like my Fox floats. They are very picky to me. I sold them on ebay and put the GYT dual clickers on. I actually didn't even have to pay it was an even swap if I recall. That and a pair of C&A razor skis she cornered like an animal and had more adjustability IMO. I picked her then around 96 which worked out great. The only other change to my stock RTX I did was the adjustable blocks in the back for bottoming.
GHLYAMMY
Veteran
Rides great once you get used to the nature of the beast....much better than the 72 elan i started on
Nine2Nine
Expert
Matt,
Just ride your sled when you get snow and post back with your findings. Since you bought it used there is no telling how tweaked the sled is from its stock set-up. The adjustments I'll suggest can be done by yourself with regular hand tools. None of it is very hard and you certainly won't want to pay someone to do it for you.
Let me know what conditions you ride in and how you ride them. FOr instance, when it gets really bumpy do you go slow or try to ride as fast as you can?
Here is what is wrong with the Nytro:
1. The '08 front suspension has too much bump steer. You can greatly reduce the bump steer for cheap here http://ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=107056
2. The skid transfer too much weight too quickly and lifts the skis right away. The Yamaha FAQ's will help you with this http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=67200
3. The Nytro features a stupid engine braking reduction feature that actually keeps a high idle when you let off the throttle. This can cause the sled to continue to push forward even after you let off the throttle in a corner. It is really noticeable at low speed maneuvering with lots of tight turns. You will adapt to it but ride something else and hop back on the Nytro you'll think the throttle is sticking.
4. The stock 5" wide skis do not float off trail or in unpacked snow. But they are not that bad on set up trails and deliver the lightest and most predictable steering feel in wide ranging hard trail conditions. That is what I've found in my testing and for how I like my sleds to feel. Skis are subjective and what works for one guy doesn't work for another. Don't buy new skis until you've exhausted every tuning option and know exactly what you want the sled to do. I don't care for super aggressive skis on the Nytro for on trail use because I feel they make it harder to ride fast because they increase steering effort and darting.
5. The sled is heavy and the weight is carried up high and in the front of the sled. This causes the sled to roll more in corners and feel clumsy in the whoops at speed. Lowering the front end of the sled helps but you then lose ride quality and capability for the big stuff.
6. The sled is not stable at high speed, especially in bumps or rutted trails. This is due to bump steer, too much weight up high, too much weight over the skis and the design of the front end, and the distance of the skis from the track. The front end needs to be pushed out further to better center the weight of the motor.
There are lots of ideas and ways to fix this and they range from free to expensive. Its a give and take proposition so for instance if you go with double skag skis than you will give up bite in the corners.
Overall the Nytro is a nice reliable sled that will run on cheap gas, produce lots of power and pull harder than a consumer 600 two stroke. It has a lot of good things going for it but chances are it will take work on your end to get the handling to where it is "okay".
Just ride your sled when you get snow and post back with your findings. Since you bought it used there is no telling how tweaked the sled is from its stock set-up. The adjustments I'll suggest can be done by yourself with regular hand tools. None of it is very hard and you certainly won't want to pay someone to do it for you.
Let me know what conditions you ride in and how you ride them. FOr instance, when it gets really bumpy do you go slow or try to ride as fast as you can?
Here is what is wrong with the Nytro:
1. The '08 front suspension has too much bump steer. You can greatly reduce the bump steer for cheap here http://ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=107056
2. The skid transfer too much weight too quickly and lifts the skis right away. The Yamaha FAQ's will help you with this http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=67200
3. The Nytro features a stupid engine braking reduction feature that actually keeps a high idle when you let off the throttle. This can cause the sled to continue to push forward even after you let off the throttle in a corner. It is really noticeable at low speed maneuvering with lots of tight turns. You will adapt to it but ride something else and hop back on the Nytro you'll think the throttle is sticking.
4. The stock 5" wide skis do not float off trail or in unpacked snow. But they are not that bad on set up trails and deliver the lightest and most predictable steering feel in wide ranging hard trail conditions. That is what I've found in my testing and for how I like my sleds to feel. Skis are subjective and what works for one guy doesn't work for another. Don't buy new skis until you've exhausted every tuning option and know exactly what you want the sled to do. I don't care for super aggressive skis on the Nytro for on trail use because I feel they make it harder to ride fast because they increase steering effort and darting.
5. The sled is heavy and the weight is carried up high and in the front of the sled. This causes the sled to roll more in corners and feel clumsy in the whoops at speed. Lowering the front end of the sled helps but you then lose ride quality and capability for the big stuff.
6. The sled is not stable at high speed, especially in bumps or rutted trails. This is due to bump steer, too much weight up high, too much weight over the skis and the design of the front end, and the distance of the skis from the track. The front end needs to be pushed out further to better center the weight of the motor.
There are lots of ideas and ways to fix this and they range from free to expensive. Its a give and take proposition so for instance if you go with double skag skis than you will give up bite in the corners.
Overall the Nytro is a nice reliable sled that will run on cheap gas, produce lots of power and pull harder than a consumer 600 two stroke. It has a lot of good things going for it but chances are it will take work on your end to get the handling to where it is "okay".
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mattpaige said:
Yamaha added gussets to the subframes in 2009. I bent my 2008 frame and Yamaha replaced it with a 2009 subframe for free. I later bent the 2009 frame and replaced it with a 2010 which is suppose to be even stronger than the previous frames. I wasn't convinced that Yamaha corrected the problem so I added some gussets of my own. If you still have the original 2008 frame without gussets it can be strengthened and made even stronger than the newest Yamaha subframes. http://s589.photobucket.com/albums/ss33 ... %20gusset/
http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php? ... t=subframe
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Scratch that 5 minutes! I thought guys were just welding a plate on the existing subframe. Grizz has the entire front end out!
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You can weld the center gusset plates in without removing the frame but if you need to add the large rear gusset to a 2008 frame it's easier to weld it in with the frame removed. A TY member brought me the 2008 front clip to do the subframe updates.
09nytro
TY 4 Stroke God
Dud .... you try and race sleds ....He is trail riding and maybe off trail so you are throwing a butch of info that he may not need ....just ride it first and then make your adjustments may like it just the way it is ... some times you read to much and it gets in your head dont beleave everything you read or let it get to your headAKrider said:
Really? I take the time to provide info to not just him but anyone on this site and you complain about it.
Sounds to me like you are struggling with the fact your Nytro doesn't handle as well as you hoped. Good luck with the "stick your head in the sand" approach. Maybe you should try gluing a block under your throttle lever so you can't go as fast. That will also improve the Nytro's handling.
Sounds to me like you are struggling with the fact your Nytro doesn't handle as well as you hoped. Good luck with the "stick your head in the sand" approach. Maybe you should try gluing a block under your throttle lever so you can't go as fast. That will also improve the Nytro's handling.
AKrider - you're right, you provided a bunch of great info. Really great. But there are a whole slew of us who have done some mods and are more than happy with the Nytro handling. I rode, yes put real miles on a Polaris 600 RR last year. Also put some miles on a Ski Doo 600 XP E Tech. And a Switchback 800. And A 600 Rev chassis RS. And others I can't even remember probably. I still love my Nytro. It handles great for my type of riding - in fact I liked it so much that I chose NOT to get a Doo X package sled this year. Not every guy needs to do the mods you've done and I imagine a lot of us are happy with just a few changes. Hell, I wouldn't have done the revalve if SleddingFarmer hadn't sworn it makes the sled even better. All I needed was new skis and to spend some time setting the suspension up. I hope you have a better relationship with the new Poo! They look like great sleds! 
