QCRider
TY 4 Stroke Master
This is the whole problem that the snowmobile magazines and marketing people cause. Somewhere along the way the OEM's have decided that they must cut every possible ounce of wieght from these sleds. So now you get heat exchangers with no fins on them, plastic wheels that don't hold up and so on.
I don't know if you can blame the snowmobile-magazines. At the end it's Yamaha who has the final word. It definately feels like they want the weight issue to be over and done with, but cutting corners like this won't exactly benefit them in the long run, as I see it. They certainly won't be getting me back any time soon if this is the path they choose. Yamaha has allways been my "safe-bet", but now I don't know anymore. To me it seems like they don't R&D the sleds enough = moneysaving for them. I know most of the issues are small things, but still... They are starting to act more like the other three manufacturers. That's what dissapoints me the most right now. The Japanese has allways been trying to do their very best, nomatter what, but it seems like they are slipping now. What anoyes me the most is all the simple problems keep showing up, which one should think would appear right away when they do their R&D??? (handwarmers, wheels and such)
I don't know, I'm just sitting on the fence when it comes to Yamaha these days. They will have to prove themselves and convince me all over again, if I'm going to buy another...
I don't know, I'm just sitting on the fence when it comes to Yamaha these days. They will have to prove themselves and convince me all over again, if I'm going to buy another...
Mrplow
Pro
RSV-thats not cool, Yamaha was going the extra step in both cases. With the not warm handwarmers: They added hooks to the bars, something lots of us would have done for increased cornering comfort and the heat/elec. is being disipated to them, a detail that will be worked out for sure........With the idler wheels: They were adressing an issue with track/undercarriage noise and changed to a rubber design wheel instead of all plastic, something to better our already awesome sleds. It is all part of progressing-all manufactures do it---Yamaha only has these minor problems--not problems such as rings going to sh*t with only a couple hundred miles as some friends had happen with their new Revs a year or to ago, or two other friends Fusions falling apart in almost everyway possible...whatever if you would like me to keep going I could?
Just buy the Yamaha and be done with it- you know any and all problems will be taken care of---and you can aways get free sh*t from dealer on top of it to make it up to you.
:ORC 
And by the way, most all those mags are backed mostly by Poo and Doo.
Just buy the Yamaha and be done with it- you know any and all problems will be taken care of---and you can aways get free sh*t from dealer on top of it to make it up to you.
:ORC
And by the way, most all those mags are backed mostly by Poo and Doo.
You guys kill me. The Yamy heat exchangers have not had fins since at least the 03 RX-1. When The RX came out everyone called it the RX-1ton and all Yamy has done is worked to build a 4 stroke that is within pnds of the competition which they have now done. They build a sled to be as fast and as safe as possible but all we do is tear open the package stud the track, clutch it, add NOS or super charge it. We beat the crap out of it and throw it in the garage on Sunday night with every intention of loading it on friday and heading back out to ride through drifts over drop offs and through open water. We then complain when something as silly as a idler wheel bite it.
I have been in the racing business and spent 80K for a roller chasis and crate motor which then takes months of preparation & testing to get ready for Friday night qualifying which if everything goes right last 10 mins and may get you a spot on the Sat. starting grid. If the car starts on Sat and you finish the 20 min race you feel great. (if). If not you go home and wait till next week. A formula atlantic costs about 5K a weekend to run and on a perfect track may see 150 mph for 5 secs at a time. You take it home and tear it down and check every nut, washer and bolt, about 40 man hrs pre-race prep. These things get beat week in and week out and just come back for more.
First off most of these guys are riding in poor conditions with studed tracks (which I have) and have paid the price for sucking rocks up into the exchanger and dirt and grit into the wheels. Its no wonder they are having the problems they are, thats what ATVs are for. And I have never seen an ATV that will do 110 on ice or snow and handle like its on rails.
Lets all slow down and have a reality check, I bleed blue but I dont care if your a Cat, Polaris, Ski-dooer these things are amazing but require abit of maintenance and upkeep for what we put them through.
This is a big motor 150+ hp in a 550#+ machine that is tied to a track with grapling hooks by a rubber belt and a modified bicycle chain for God's sake. My last formula car weighed 930# had a 130 hp 4 cyl and if you put 1 wheel off in the dirt would tear the entire corner off the car. It used carbon fiber and metals only found on the moon I think they should be proud of what they are producing. I also think that some of you might want to consider other sports or a fan 550 with a govenor at 45MPH if you think this stuff cant handle what you throw at it.
Sorry just a bit punchy - just had a great weekend of riding and came back to about 5 posts like this one. Remember Speed has its price.
I have been in the racing business and spent 80K for a roller chasis and crate motor which then takes months of preparation & testing to get ready for Friday night qualifying which if everything goes right last 10 mins and may get you a spot on the Sat. starting grid. If the car starts on Sat and you finish the 20 min race you feel great. (if). If not you go home and wait till next week. A formula atlantic costs about 5K a weekend to run and on a perfect track may see 150 mph for 5 secs at a time. You take it home and tear it down and check every nut, washer and bolt, about 40 man hrs pre-race prep. These things get beat week in and week out and just come back for more.
First off most of these guys are riding in poor conditions with studed tracks (which I have) and have paid the price for sucking rocks up into the exchanger and dirt and grit into the wheels. Its no wonder they are having the problems they are, thats what ATVs are for. And I have never seen an ATV that will do 110 on ice or snow and handle like its on rails.
Lets all slow down and have a reality check, I bleed blue but I dont care if your a Cat, Polaris, Ski-dooer these things are amazing but require abit of maintenance and upkeep for what we put them through.
This is a big motor 150+ hp in a 550#+ machine that is tied to a track with grapling hooks by a rubber belt and a modified bicycle chain for God's sake. My last formula car weighed 930# had a 130 hp 4 cyl and if you put 1 wheel off in the dirt would tear the entire corner off the car. It used carbon fiber and metals only found on the moon I think they should be proud of what they are producing. I also think that some of you might want to consider other sports or a fan 550 with a govenor at 45MPH if you think this stuff cant handle what you throw at it.
Sorry just a bit punchy - just had a great weekend of riding and came back to about 5 posts like this one. Remember Speed has its price.
Bakemono
TY 4 Stroke Guru
If you think Yamaha has problems, go to any other board and read the problems people have with other brands.
Yamaha isnt perfect (never will be), but as far as Im concerned they have fewer issues than other brands.
As for are the worried too much about weight? Yes and no. Yamaha already is established in the trail rider market, but if they want to compete in the ditches and powder they need to reduce weight to compete with the 2-strokes.
Yamaha isnt perfect (never will be), but as far as Im concerned they have fewer issues than other brands.
As for are the worried too much about weight? Yes and no. Yamaha already is established in the trail rider market, but if they want to compete in the ditches and powder they need to reduce weight to compete with the 2-strokes.
Tork
TY 4 Stroke God
Yamaha did a masterful job of weight reduction for 06. I may look at it that way because I have been around race cars-motorcycles-go karts all my life. The deltabox is strong as hell, the mono skid is way beefed up, the motor will outlive the beating any sled is going to take.
The body panels are fine, you just dont want your buddy setting a case of 2 stroke oil on the hood.
The light wheels are OK too. Those help a bunch of ways, less rotating weight for better acceleration and less unsprung weight that helps the suspension react faster with less kick to your body.
The body panels are fine, you just dont want your buddy setting a case of 2 stroke oil on the hood.
The light wheels are OK too. Those help a bunch of ways, less rotating weight for better acceleration and less unsprung weight that helps the suspension react faster with less kick to your body.
I'm just amazed that the R&D didn't pick up on the handwarmers, hooks and wheels, since it became obvious for the buyers right from the first few rides, that's all I'm saying.
They are great machines, but it seems like they didn't test a full production model at all??? Many full-production changes from the prototypes??? This should be easily fixed during R&D in my opinion, if not, what's the point of the R&D department??? Just my point of wiew...
They are great machines, but it seems like they didn't test a full production model at all??? Many full-production changes from the prototypes??? This should be easily fixed during R&D in my opinion, if not, what's the point of the R&D department??? Just my point of wiew...
WarriorBeads
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Just to play the antagonist QCRider, I'm a firm believer in plastic idler wheels....I find the metals ones a junk. I know a lot of guys (myself included) that have swapped out their entire skid (back in the day) for plastic wheels for durability reasons, rather than weight....
