Need help on deciding which phazer

[shockwave]

How are these for installing a jack seat should I choose to? Any issues running 2 small-average sized people on these sleds for short-ish trips? (Setting aside any tippy issues) - the apex's can be tippy too.

I can't tell you how they ride at 2 but Kimpex make a seat jack for the Phazer. I am planing to get one to carry the kids with me.

 

[CCCT]

Cool I'll likely pick one up as long as it's the removable type easy on/off for the rare occasions I need it on. Will report back on that end as well.

 

[blueironranger]

At 2500 miles I'd pull the tank to check on the exhaust donuts, that's the only real maintenance item on a phazer. Once you have learned how to pull the tank it becomes a 15 minute job during service. If you want to install a 121" freeride I came across a few new ones on Ebay at blowout pricing the other day (search "camso 9033c")

 

[CCCT]

donuts on an 09 with only 2500 miles? I did my apex donuts 6 months ago (went to copper) and it was a fun job (sled had 10500kms). I seem to recall after 08 or 09 on the apex's yamaha revised the donuts from the 06/07s. Did they do the same with the phazers? Either way, I wont be pulling the tank in the guys driveway so will figure all that out once home. Can we do the "plug the muffler" trick and wait for it to bog out or stall to determine the shape of the donuts on the phazers?

While I;m there though, anything special to check out that is a MUST? Likely not if its mint shape, but doesnt hurt to ask.

 

[blueironranger]

Same trick works, mine were shot @ 1500 miles on my 09' and I just replaced the copper ones that made it 5000+ miles. The clamps always seem to find a way to come loose. This time I made new spacers and double nutted longer grade 10.9 bolts on the clamps to keep them from getting loose.

 

[ATV PRO #11]

Tell tail sign of dog nuts is a longer cold start and or backfire on decel.
If you listen under the seat you can usually hear of the clamps are real loose.

While I had mine out to install excell my clamps were still tight. When I had my clamps out way back I ground down the long round spacer about 1/8”. (Welded to clamp bolt slides through) dab of blue lock tite.

 

[dwh039]

I've owned a 2008 phazer mtx. Put roughly 7,000 miles on it. Personally I wouldn't let a kid ride it. Extremely tippy, and heavy beast to right side it after tipping. You would be best to get something like a Indy 550 144" or something similar. I'm a Yamaha man, but phazers Aren't a sled for kids or casual riders.

 

[Mountaintech]

Well, everyone has their own opinion on whether the Phazer is a suitable sled for novices or smaller people so here is mine. Each Phazer is different but the handling is hugely a function of front end design and condition. Consider these factors.....play in lower ball joints, play in lower spindle bushings, play in steering linkages, weak and easily bent upper a arms, an OEM suspension design that has camber gain on compression, and the list goes on. I had no problem putting my daughter (or Hawaiian Natives that had never seen a snowmobile before) on the one I had. The Phazer needs help in the areas mentioned above. It was produced for 12 model years with very few changes.

 

[ATV PRO #11]

Mines stable and flat. All part and parcel to dialing in suspension, clutching imo. I find less transfer weight to the front of sled via suspension set up and back shift play hand in hand on the trails. You dump that weight forward to harsh and it loads up the sloppy front end it’s gonna feel tippy.

I will say carbides play into this as well.
I have everlasters 5” in now. Way to bold of a profile. Going into a corner at slow or non aggressive pace their ok. Go in hard at 80-90k and they are to unpredictable. Grab out of the blue sending you in that quick tip feeling. Normally I don’t have that.
As mountain said it has to do with tha play as well. Ever jack your Phazer yo in front and check the play. Your right ski has more input than your left. We all know there’s lots of play. Bottom a arm inside brushing takes biggest beating. Add that into the steering play and that why they get jittery/tippy imho.
My son is 10 and learning to ride on my Phazer. He has excellent throttle control and knows getting into soft stuff and he stops he’s gonna tip unless powers through it. Ski breaks through on one side, yeah odd are good it may tip.

 

[Mountaintech]

Mines stable and flat. All part and parcel to dialing in suspension, clutching imo. I find less transfer weight to the front of sled via suspension set up and back shift play hand in hand on the trails. You dump that weight forward to harsh and it loads up the sloppy front end it’s gonna feel tippy.

I will say carbides play into this as well.
I have everlasters 5” in now. Way to bold of a profile. Going into a corner at slow or non aggressive pace their ok. Go in hard at 80-90k and they are to unpredictable. Grab out of the blue sending you in that quick tip feeling. Normally I don’t have that.
As mountain said it has to do with tha play as well. Ever jack your Phazer yo in front and check the play. Your right ski has more input than your left. We all know there’s lots of play. Bottom a arm inside brushing takes biggest beating. Add that into the steering play and that why they get jittery/tippy imho.
My son is 10 and learning to ride on my Phazer. He has excellent throttle control and knows getting into soft stuff and he stops he’s gonna tip unless powers through it. Ski breaks through on one side, yeah odd are good it may tip.

Yup. Phazer ball joints suck. A Arm bushings too small and too thin. Front end needs upgrading to tighten it up.