Need some input on ski's

[BETHEVIPER]

I agree with you BTV. But with toe out and the Ackerman Theory . Where it is on these sleds I'm not sure, more, less or true. The predictability in cornering will be greater with the toe out rather than a toe in. Hence the geometry changes between the 08 to 09. The steering on the 09 is way more predictable. This can become very complicated and I was keeping it simple for everyone to understand. In a straight line, depending on slop, yes toe in or out may not matter. When it comes to the corners than it will. THis is why yamaha calls for the 1/8 to 1/4 toe out. After parts wear and it becomes greater, than it's time to replace some parts. Skis don't change this. SO toe out or in, is not just for slop. Let's just understand each other.I've put a couple hundred sled together over the years, and attended thier schools and seminars. Not to say don't argue with me, but don't pick holes.

Thank you for agreeing with me that your statement about why we have toe out on a sled was wrong. There is Ackerman geometry built into the sleds to take care of extra toe for the inside turning ski.

I hope once I have assembled 200 sleds I can pick holes, whatever that means.

 

[scott32]

Alright you tell me what sled you've ever set up that required toe in.

 

[BETHEVIPER]

I think you may want to actually read my posts, I never said I set up sleds with toe in. I was refering to the effect the snow pushing against the keel with toe in and out giving a similar effect of straightening the skis out.
I have never, ever told anyone ever to toe in a sled. 0 toe to 1/8 with dual carbides(arrow, simmons, cat duallies) a little more with straight carbides, a little more with wore out front ends.

 

[cmallow]

USI Triple Threats rock, The company is great to help you get set up perfect.

 

[Daranello]

I have the slydog race ski, very happy with the purchase.

Do the slydogs take Yamaha runners? I have a set of 8" triple points I want to use!

 

[EsonPZ]

I have the slydog race ski, very happy with the purchase.

Do the slydogs take Yamaha runners? I have a set of 8" triple points I want to use!

No they dont, they have the same pattern as C&A.
Btw, i had a set of Powderhounds om my RTX for a while. Did not like the way they pushed in the corners, so i sold them and got MTX skis instead.

 

[scott32]

I think you may want to actually read my posts, I never said I set up sleds with toe in. I was refering to the effect the snow pushing against the keel with toe in and out giving a similar effect of straightening the skis out.
I have never, ever told anyone ever to toe in a sled. 0 toe to 1/8 with dual carbides(arrow, simmons, cat duallies) a little more with straight carbides, a little more with wore out front ends.

I've clearly stated in simple terms for the people that don't understand the geometry at work in my initial post to toe out and not toe in as I didn't want anyone mislead by a post where someone explained their results with toe in. My explaination was sufficient and there was no need to make it more complicated for others to understand. If you choose to argue with me any further, pm me and we can sort this out. I'm not pissed at ya, just tired of high-jacking this guys thread.

 

[BETHEVIPER]

I find the slydog skis work far better than the stockers, no darting, I have mine toed in, I have six inch shaper bars on mine.

Not trying to start an arguement here but I don't like to see anyone mislead. Draw a 6" circle and then a 4" circle inside the 6". This is the reason for toe out. The inner ski must turn a sharper radius than the outer, hence the toe out. It's simple geometry.

All I was trying to do is correct, incorrect information in your correction of what you believed to be incorrect information that was given as a side note in a post that was in reference to the thread. The deviation from the topic was on your part, not mine.

Back on topic, I love Arrow skis They make such a great trail ski. Tomorrow Ill be trying them on a nitro for the first time and will report back. Friends sled and he loves them, I just wont recomend them for that sled other than to try untill I ride the sled with them.

 

[TechMaples]

I find the slydog skis work far better than the stockers, no darting, I have mine toed in, I have six inch shaper bars on mine.

Not trying to start an arguement here but I don't like to see anyone mislead. Draw a 6" circle and then a 4" circle inside the 6". This is the reason for toe out. The inner ski must turn a sharper radius than the outer, hence the toe out. It's simple geometry.

All I was trying to do is correct, incorrect information in your correction of what you believed to be incorrect information that was given as a side note in a post that was in reference to the thread. The deviation from the topic was on your part, not mine.

Back on topic, I love Arrow skis They make such a great trail ski. Tomorrow Ill be trying them on a nitro for the first time and will report back. Friends sled and he loves them, I just wont recomend them for that sled other than to try untill I ride the sled with them.

Scott, I have rode Mike's rtx with the Arrows. By far the best all around trail ski I have ridden for the Nytro so far. Only one complaint, tended to push a little more in corners than the xtx with stock ski and 6in shapers installed. I think you can attribute this to the large amount of rocker in the arrows. The steering effort is so reduced with the arrow skis, that I think you can adjust for more ski pressure to get rid of most of that push and still have a easy turning ski.

If you are happy with the amount of floatation the stock ski has, or mainly just trail ride, you cant go wrong with the Kimpex Arrows.