unclearpine
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How can you have any idea when you probably have never seen a sled with them on .You are the same people who still think the world is flat .The snowtrackers work better and cheaper then anything else.There claims are all true . The carbide is about 1/2" so you figure it out how long to wear them down .You guys are wasting your time trying to punch holes in them.Anyone who has tried them will tell you how good they are.grumpysanta said:
grumpysanta
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Don,t have a problem with handling even with stock skies i run 7'' shaper bars and no studs
Banks93
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grumpysanta said:
So your giving an opinion on a product that you have never tried. WOW, everyone should listen to it.
Again like the poster above stated. Those who have tried it will never have anything bad to say about them because they work and they are a cheaper option than buying new skies.
grumpysanta
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my 2 cents is i don't need them and save me alot of money , no $200 carbides and no $600 SKIES, THATS ALL I WAS SAYING iF YOU NEED THEM THEN DO AS YOU PLEASE
Pin
Newbie
The bottom line - we are all very disappointed with the stock carbides and stock setup.
I'm not happy with Yamaha. I'm serious thinking about changing to different brand after 3 Yamaha sleds.
I'm not happy with Yamaha. I'm serious thinking about changing to different brand after 3 Yamaha sleds.
The sad thing is, that yamaha after four of five incarnations of a plastic ski have still not done anything to address darting. Yamaha is so lame. If I didn't have the ability to work on sleds, I would have never bought a yamaha after my viper. Time and time again, they come out with a ski that sucks, a seat full of bricks, a suspension made of glass, shocks from a model t, and on, and on, and on. Over 10 grand and the first day there is snow, newbies are all over this site looking for fixes for their crapy handling yamaha sleds.
Why dont you people fire the guys that design your crapy skis and just ship the sled without them, have the dealer install what he believes the customer would like. While your at it, leave off the too small wheels that blow apart and can you just ship the sled and shocks out the same day, sled to the dealer, shocks to pioneer, that way when the sled is delivered, it wont piss off the customer.
sorry for the venting. Your motors are good, I'll give you that.
I have yet to ride the snow trackers, I have heard very good things about them, just never had them instock when I had money, time or snow to use them.
The dartless plates have to be the chapest thing going to fix darting. The product works great.
Its more like an extra 100 for aftermarket skis when your comparing them to snow trackers. your going to get 150 for new take off skis, plus your 200 you were going to spend on your trackers. you can get many aftermarket skis for 450
I have a saying I keep adding to
those who can, do
those who can't teach,
those who can't teach, teach gym,
those who can't teach gym,
they become wheather men,
those who can't even master being a weatherman who is only required to be right, 51 percent of the time to ask for a raise
Those guys and gals,
Yamaha hires to design new skis
Why dont you people fire the guys that design your crapy skis and just ship the sled without them, have the dealer install what he believes the customer would like. While your at it, leave off the too small wheels that blow apart and can you just ship the sled and shocks out the same day, sled to the dealer, shocks to pioneer, that way when the sled is delivered, it wont piss off the customer.
sorry for the venting. Your motors are good, I'll give you that.
I have yet to ride the snow trackers, I have heard very good things about them, just never had them instock when I had money, time or snow to use them.
The dartless plates have to be the chapest thing going to fix darting. The product works great.
Its more like an extra 100 for aftermarket skis when your comparing them to snow trackers. your going to get 150 for new take off skis, plus your 200 you were going to spend on your trackers. you can get many aftermarket skis for 450
I have a saying I keep adding to
those who can, do
those who can't teach,
those who can't teach, teach gym,
those who can't teach gym,
they become wheather men,
those who can't even master being a weatherman who is only required to be right, 51 percent of the time to ask for a raise
Those guys and gals,
Yamaha hires to design new skis
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Glad I am not the only one that feels that way.. X2
arminius123
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Snowtrackers are one of the best things I did to my 09 nytro. the difference is amazing! I'd go with them.
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My question as I am leaning towards the snowtrackers to those who use them Is do they increase the steering effort? I have 8" woodys executives with my skis shimmed a 1/8" I can live with the reduced darting I have now but If it increases the effort to turn that is a deal breaker I have bad shoulders now and dont want to further the injuries! thanks any opinions are welcome
Kaz
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hossZ28 said:
I had the extreme snowtrackers on my 07ApexER, they work, but on hard pack they cetainly will take more steering effort. You won't enjoy them if the trail is twisty and tight, that's where you need the new Apex with EPS.
Kaz
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I put 1500 miles on a Nytro with a set of snow trackers on last year, and it was a low snow year. Very impressed with the performance and durability of the season. I used the aggressive ones and they do not increase the steering effort and they actually make the stock skies work. I was never a fan of the stock skies and they were the first item to be changed out with every Yamaha that I have bought over the years.
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Does anyone have a opinion on the studboy shaper bars do they increase steering effort?
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The thread started out about Cobra heads but after the second post became about snowtrackers with some overly strong opinions to boot!
The Cobra heads I might try but not the snowtrackers. Way to much bedrock sticking out to fold and twist that much steel hanging way to low. They don't look like a good idea for NWO! There was a setup local guy made around here that was simular but bulkier! Rocks banged the he$$ out of them.
Now if someone wants to buy me a set to try out I'm game. Till then I think I would stick with the lower profile of the Cobra Heads.
My sister complained of darting and i was always waiting for her to catch up till I installed a set off easy steers on her skis. Made of plastic and cost about 14 bucks at the time a few years ago. Night and day difference in her riding ability after that. Never had to wait for her hardly at all after that. Royal sell them for under 20 bucks.
I sometimes think people confuse darting with tracking as well! My Simmons don't dart after I installed a shim and made my carbides ride flat instead of wearing the front of the carbides flat while the back was still sharp enough to draw blood, till then they darted around terrible, but if I get inbehind someone with a Doo with the same dual carbide setup they will track to the point of almost tearing the bars off the sled trying to get out of the tracks left by the Doo ahead.
Now when I had a Cat anyone with those same skis ahead of me caused tracking issues. Will the snowtrackers do the same and lock into another set of snowtracker tracks?
Darting is fairly easy to fix with little expense. Tracking usually costs money. Easy steers are cheap and work. Cobra heads are doing the same thing as the easy steers and creating a fresh trail to run in. The leading edge for the curveXS skis create a fresh trail to run in as well!
Trackers are kind of making their own foot print but will they follow other frozen trackers trails left in the hardpack? If they don't then that is a good thing! If they will run in a set of their own hardened tracks and pull out of them as if they where not there at all then tracking is solved!
Again though I would be more inclined towards the cobra heads over the snowtrackers for my riding area of the great canadian shield! I shudder to think of what is going to happen when I slam into a chunk of granite just buried under the snow with a thin chunk of metal cutting down a couple of inches into the trail. I can buy into the rest of it but I've seen what bedrock does to equipment around here! I've seen granite rip carbide right out of the host bar. Destroy 80 dollar carbides in one ride!
I could be wrong but they (Snowtrackers) just look so fragile!
The Cobra heads I might try but not the snowtrackers. Way to much bedrock sticking out to fold and twist that much steel hanging way to low. They don't look like a good idea for NWO! There was a setup local guy made around here that was simular but bulkier! Rocks banged the he$$ out of them.
Now if someone wants to buy me a set to try out I'm game. Till then I think I would stick with the lower profile of the Cobra Heads.
My sister complained of darting and i was always waiting for her to catch up till I installed a set off easy steers on her skis. Made of plastic and cost about 14 bucks at the time a few years ago. Night and day difference in her riding ability after that. Never had to wait for her hardly at all after that. Royal sell them for under 20 bucks.
I sometimes think people confuse darting with tracking as well! My Simmons don't dart after I installed a shim and made my carbides ride flat instead of wearing the front of the carbides flat while the back was still sharp enough to draw blood, till then they darted around terrible, but if I get inbehind someone with a Doo with the same dual carbide setup they will track to the point of almost tearing the bars off the sled trying to get out of the tracks left by the Doo ahead.
Now when I had a Cat anyone with those same skis ahead of me caused tracking issues. Will the snowtrackers do the same and lock into another set of snowtracker tracks?
Darting is fairly easy to fix with little expense. Tracking usually costs money. Easy steers are cheap and work. Cobra heads are doing the same thing as the easy steers and creating a fresh trail to run in. The leading edge for the curveXS skis create a fresh trail to run in as well!
Trackers are kind of making their own foot print but will they follow other frozen trackers trails left in the hardpack? If they don't then that is a good thing! If they will run in a set of their own hardened tracks and pull out of them as if they where not there at all then tracking is solved!
Again though I would be more inclined towards the cobra heads over the snowtrackers for my riding area of the great canadian shield! I shudder to think of what is going to happen when I slam into a chunk of granite just buried under the snow with a thin chunk of metal cutting down a couple of inches into the trail. I can buy into the rest of it but I've seen what bedrock does to equipment around here! I've seen granite rip carbide right out of the host bar. Destroy 80 dollar carbides in one ride!
I could be wrong but they (Snowtrackers) just look so fragile!
langow
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Not fragile at all. They are amazingly durable. Yes, they can be damaged, but I'd bet money if they hit something hard enough to seriously damage them, anything else would have been damaged also.
I've run over some pretty good rocks at speed, sure I must have ruined them, only to find them unscathed when taking a look.
I've run over some pretty good rocks at speed, sure I must have ruined them, only to find them unscathed when taking a look.
cat hunter
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I 've used SNOWTRACKERS since 2003 and would't use anything else on a YAMAHA !!! There say they are made out of material that is 8 times stronger than steel !!! Regular runners won't take the punisment the Snowtrackers will !!! No darting or hunting and very easy to steer with the Extremes !!! In my opinion these are the best on the market and well worth the money!!!
