First of all...this is my first TY post, so thanks for letting me join your site. Some very good reading thus far and alot of knowledgable members providing valuable insights. As for me, well I'm coming off a 2009 MXZX 1200 4tec that I bought last year - had a few issues which we can discuss later...anyways I've decided to make the jump over to a Nytro this year. I've ordered the 2010 RTX (black/orange) however after some detailed reading/searching on your site I've come to understand that the XTX brings a number of advantages.
I understand the top speed differences btw the shorty and the XTX (thanks Darnello, Turk and others for your insights to the XTX top speed). However I am looking for some insights as to how the two hookup and how they compare head to head 0-100? Does the XTX outperform the shorty from the get go, or does it simply run a higher top speed.
I've found reading the multiple forums very insightful and have discussed with the dealer about switching from the RTX over to an XTX...just looking for as much info as I can get.
Cheers
clarkie
I understand the top speed differences btw the shorty and the XTX (thanks Darnello, Turk and others for your insights to the XTX top speed). However I am looking for some insights as to how the two hookup and how they compare head to head 0-100? Does the XTX outperform the shorty from the get go, or does it simply run a higher top speed.
I've found reading the multiple forums very insightful and have discussed with the dealer about switching from the RTX over to an XTX...just looking for as much info as I can get.
Cheers
clarkie
walleye101
Newbie
i have a question for u i have ridden doo for 14 years and ride a xp 800 and i am fed up with the issues and looking at a nytro also. what issues did u have with your 1200? i am sick of some of the quality issues with my doo and mostly the customer service that i don't get after buying 6 new sleds from my dealer!!!
a well setup xtx will smoke a shortie in 660'...footprint and transfer along with a better approach angle are too much to handle...
Traildale
Extreme
Depending on what types of riding you do, you may like the XTX better. Yamaha focused the RTX on straight line big bump riding like ditch banging. If you are doing more twisty tail riding in the woods, the Fox float front shocks can give you fits to setup. It can be a really fine line. Firm enough to for good ride height and no bottoming and it tends to feel tippy and wants to high-side. Soft enough to not lift the inside ski unexpectedly, and now you have ride height issues.
The GTR coil shocks are really a better option for trails. Setup is easy and plenty of adjustability.
There's probably a reason you see quite a few Fox Float air shocks for sale or trade on Ebay.
I'm just saying . . . .
The GTR coil shocks are really a better option for trails. Setup is easy and plenty of adjustability.
There's probably a reason you see quite a few Fox Float air shocks for sale or trade on Ebay.
I'm just saying . . . .
riverrat
Expert
So I take it you havnt gotten the rtx yet? I love the orange look! If you get the orange sled please post some pictures on snow. My thoughts are that the 144 track is too long for trail riding but I have limited time on a xtx to give a report on handling. I wish they had made it a 136. Good luck....
09nytro24
Extreme
I agree that the 144 is too long for Michigan unless you ride strictly in the Western UP of Michigan, or the mountains.
That is why i am 136'n mine as well. Alot of buddies ride Renegades and they are perfect, plus not many people have 136'ed nytros!
That is why i am 136'n mine as well. Alot of buddies ride Renegades and they are perfect, plus not many people have 136'ed nytros!
Unluckydiablo
Expert
Traildale said:
I agree about the floats, I'm going to be doing the Hygear sportx package to get rid of everything you mention. I love my RTX, but would like to ride a xtx to feel the difference. What problems did you have with your 1200, as I have a few friends who are looking at these, and another friend who is a doo dealer and hasn't had any problems with the 1200's (all other xp's have had issues according to him, but he hasn't had one with the 1200's).
Sno-Xr
VIP Member
First of all, Welcome to the Site!! 
Secondly, you will get lots of answers to your "which is fastest" question, and you will never get a deffinite answer. Joe's RTX is faster then Schmidty's XTX but Schmidty's XTX is faster then Big Ron's RTX, which is faster then Tommy two tones MTX which beats up on every F7 he races! Get the point!
So, unless your going to spend a majority of your time sitting in a field or on a lace racing Stock for Stock sleds, dont waste a lot of your time wondering about it! Enjoy your new sled, I guarentee you will!!
Secondly, you will get lots of answers to your "which is fastest" question, and you will never get a deffinite answer. Joe's RTX is faster then Schmidty's XTX but Schmidty's XTX is faster then Big Ron's RTX, which is faster then Tommy two tones MTX which beats up on every F7 he races! Get the point!
So, unless your going to spend a majority of your time sitting in a field or on a lace racing Stock for Stock sleds, dont waste a lot of your time wondering about it! Enjoy your new sled, I guarentee you will!!
Unluckydiablo
Expert
Also, clutching will make a big difference, or so I'm told. Ulmer can do alot of stuff with clutching, and alot of guys can also help you with it (I'm looking in clutch-master-Turks direction).
sleddingfarmer
TY 4 Stroke God
If you are a very aggressive rider stick with the rtx for the stiffer suspension. If you want a better ride for trail riding, and a little more top end, and more off trail-ability... then the xtx might be the way to go.
I wanted really stiff suspension so I got the rtx se, but it sucked off trail. For 740 bucks I made it a 136...which was cheaper then buying all the rtx se shocks for the xtx.
I wanted really stiff suspension so I got the rtx se, but it sucked off trail. For 740 bucks I made it a 136...which was cheaper then buying all the rtx se shocks for the xtx.
HeyBrownDog
Extreme
I believe the XTX was Yamaha's top selling sled last year. Not the reason I bought one, but the versatility of it was why I got mine. My previous Yamaha was a 136 so this only made sense for me. I like to be out on the trails early in the morning blazing the first path. I don't foresee using my XTX is some sort of mountain sled by any means, but I just like the idea of versatility. Coupled with the hundreds of post how people love theirs, is how mine ended up in the stable.
As another member just posted, the Fox Floats seem to have mixed reviews. I personally like the GYTR, and the ability to upgrade the springs down the road. Lots of post about that via Hygear which is gonna be on the wish list either later this year or next years upgrade.
To answer your question, I guess it would depend on how you ride. I've yet to get seat time on my XTX due to the lack of snow like many, but I think your gonna be happy with the Yamaha 4 stroke power. Yamaha went out on a limb years ago making a commitment to 4 strokes while other manufactures said they didn't have the power and weigh too much. It appears to have paid off for the company as more and more people have bought into the 4 stroke mentality, and even has companies like Doo developing motors like your previous 1200.
Curious what issues you had on your Doo because that 1200 gets a lot of good reviews. I'll be honest, I considered the 1200 Renegade but went with another Yamaha because of my last 5 years being so great. Didn't make sense to me to abandon a brand that gave me no issues. Toss in the four year YES warranty voucher and it seemed like a no brainer.
As another member just posted, the Fox Floats seem to have mixed reviews. I personally like the GYTR, and the ability to upgrade the springs down the road. Lots of post about that via Hygear which is gonna be on the wish list either later this year or next years upgrade.
To answer your question, I guess it would depend on how you ride. I've yet to get seat time on my XTX due to the lack of snow like many, but I think your gonna be happy with the Yamaha 4 stroke power. Yamaha went out on a limb years ago making a commitment to 4 strokes while other manufactures said they didn't have the power and weigh too much. It appears to have paid off for the company as more and more people have bought into the 4 stroke mentality, and even has companies like Doo developing motors like your previous 1200.
Curious what issues you had on your Doo because that 1200 gets a lot of good reviews. I'll be honest, I considered the 1200 Renegade but went with another Yamaha because of my last 5 years being so great. Didn't make sense to me to abandon a brand that gave me no issues. Toss in the four year YES warranty voucher and it seemed like a no brainer.
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I went with the XTX cause I wanted to be able to go off trail and not get stuck all the time. The XTX is a great on and off trail. Torque is wild and will not disappont you.
But it comes down to how and where you ride. You like big bumps, trail riding and pond racing? Go with RTX.
You want to hit the back country, then its the XTX.
Either way congrats on switching to Yamaha!
RR
But it comes down to how and where you ride. You like big bumps, trail riding and pond racing? Go with RTX.
You want to hit the back country, then its the XTX.
Either way congrats on switching to Yamaha!
RR
Unluckydiablo said:
Turks had both...not to speak for him but he said its the XTX for sure...
hey guys...I appreciate the response. My name is on the black/orange RTX but the Yamaha dealer here in Ontario said it would be no problem if I wanted to switch and buy one of the XTX's they have coming in. Given that I've always ridden X package ski-doos I thought it was a no brainer with the RTX, but all the good reviews I've read here on this site had me thinking...
As for the reason for my switch from doo...yes, I had a few issues with my 4tec, I had the infamous "slip out of gear issue", the loose chain issue, the overheat issue and finally had an issue where the sled felt like it shifted in and out of a "neutral" position...in a variety of conditions at a variety of speeds. All that said, I will not bash the Doo, I was treated very well by the Dealer and the sled was a great trail sled, good fuel mileage, good top speed...just didnt have the aggressive riding position and ability that I was looking for. I want to ride a four stroke as I appreciate and value what they offer...so I decided to switch.
Keep the input coming and thanks again.
As for the reason for my switch from doo...yes, I had a few issues with my 4tec, I had the infamous "slip out of gear issue", the loose chain issue, the overheat issue and finally had an issue where the sled felt like it shifted in and out of a "neutral" position...in a variety of conditions at a variety of speeds. All that said, I will not bash the Doo, I was treated very well by the Dealer and the sled was a great trail sled, good fuel mileage, good top speed...just didnt have the aggressive riding position and ability that I was looking for. I want to ride a four stroke as I appreciate and value what they offer...so I decided to switch.
Keep the input coming and thanks again.
Nytro Fx
Pro
If you are not going to beat the **** out of it i would get the xtx, better trail sled hands down in my view. we have both.
