STAIN
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North East Flatlander here with some questions on a Nytro MTX. A local dealer here has a brand new 2011 Nytro MTX SE for $7500. How would this be on groomed trails? Could you shave the track down to 1.5 or 1.25? Could you shave the outside lugs down to 1.25 and leave the centers to 1.5 to help it turn? Will wheels needed to added to the skid even with a shorter height track to keep hyfax on it? How do the mountain skis work on groomed trails? This sled seems like an awful good deal to me and just thinking what it would take to make groomed trail ready.
Thanks.
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go200mph
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I have an 08 that I use 70% of the time as a trail sled. I have even left the stock track alone. Every time we get a dumping of snow I remember why I got this sled. This is what our riding area looks like right now.
http://www.hardcoresledder.com/forums/2 ... -a-41.html
A set of scratches are needed. There are many things that can be done to improve the trail manners. If you are on the trail 100% of the time it may not be the best choice, but if you like to spend some time exploring, it is great..
http://www.hardcoresledder.com/forums/2 ... -a-41.html
A set of scratches are needed. There are many things that can be done to improve the trail manners. If you are on the trail 100% of the time it may not be the best choice, but if you like to spend some time exploring, it is great..
YamahaRider10
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My 2010 is great on the trail here in NH. I was actually impressed with how well it handles.
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having grown up in NH and ridden in VT, NH, and ME......... NO WAY WOULD I OWN AN MTX ANYTHING!
Be honest with yourself, there are 3 times a year when you could use the extra track. Plus, there is extremely limitted off trail experiences in those states.
Buy an XTX if you think you want a longer track. The short comings of a mountain sled on a trail far outway the advantages in my opinion.
On a separate note...... line up a 144 and a 153 inch tracks side by side. Take a notice of the differences of track on the ground. Visually pretty small difference. Ride both an MTX and an XTX, and my guess in if you are honest with the use, you wouldn't buy the MTX.
Just my 2 cents
Be honest with yourself, there are 3 times a year when you could use the extra track. Plus, there is extremely limitted off trail experiences in those states.
Buy an XTX if you think you want a longer track. The short comings of a mountain sled on a trail far outway the advantages in my opinion.
On a separate note...... line up a 144 and a 153 inch tracks side by side. Take a notice of the differences of track on the ground. Visually pretty small difference. Ride both an MTX and an XTX, and my guess in if you are honest with the use, you wouldn't buy the MTX.
Just my 2 cents
Yammerhead
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Once I got the track lubrication issues under control with scratchers it was actually a better trail machine than I thought it would be. It will lift the inside ski fairly quickly, but it's predictable. It turns well an I have no darting issues either. Where I don't like it is in untracked field riding. It's unpredictable and the nose will dive an pitch unexpectedly. It's not confidence inspiring at all. One other beef with it on fast trails is lack of top end.
I switched the track out to a Power Claw this winter before I went to the mountains. Much better performance in the hills, but now I am wearing hyfax again very quickly. The Maverick is fully clipped and the Power Claw is not. I think the rubber on the unclipped bar rubbing on the slides is heating an melting the plastic quicker.
I switched the track out to a Power Claw this winter before I went to the mountains. Much better performance in the hills, but now I am wearing hyfax again very quickly. The Maverick is fully clipped and the Power Claw is not. I think the rubber on the unclipped bar rubbing on the slides is heating an melting the plastic quicker.
YamahaRider10
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On an average season I ride about 600 trail miles and probably 1500-2000 off trail miles. The majority of my trail miles are just from either riding from my truck to camp, camp to truck, or from my camp to the next off trail location. I started off trail riding in the 80's with my 1987 Phazer. I have done nothing but got longer tracked sleds as time has gone on. I use the 153" for its intended purpose. It is also a better trail sled than any of my previous 144" sleds. I was always starting with the short tracked sleds and stretching them to 136 and 144 but never happy with them. I know what my riding style is and and what my ability is. I also know that I would not be happy on anything less than a long tracked sled. That being said I really do enjoy riding my MTX here in NH. Its a great all around sled with the tipped up rails and narrow front end. Is there better trail sleds for here in NH???? Absolutely!!! But then again.......I am not a Trail Rider. My $.02
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In reality, NH doesn't have "back country" just "off trail", guess I should have qualified that in my commnet. My understanding of NH, is that it would be illigal to ride "off trail" without written permission from each land owner. I know that cause I got a ticket there once, going "off trail" into a "field" up in Pittsburg. Used to have a camp there. Just not enough state or national land that is designated for true "off trail" experiences.
Until you have ridden "off trail" in the mountains (5,000 feet - 10,000 feet) you are really still "mostly" trail side in NH.
Just trying to clarify that a MTX is not gonna be a good trail sled, as STAIN seems like he will be following the law and staying on the trail in his North East area.
I know if I could clone myself and 1 of me ride an MTX and the other an XTX or RTX, there is no way I could hang with the one on the true tril sled. No way. The trail sled is designed for that riding, the MTX is designed for mountains. Once again,right tool for the job. My vote is not for an MTX in NH, VT, ME........ might be a reason they still have it, might be a reason no one else is riding an MTX in those areas........
Until you have ridden "off trail" in the mountains (5,000 feet - 10,000 feet) you are really still "mostly" trail side in NH.
Just trying to clarify that a MTX is not gonna be a good trail sled, as STAIN seems like he will be following the law and staying on the trail in his North East area.
I know if I could clone myself and 1 of me ride an MTX and the other an XTX or RTX, there is no way I could hang with the one on the true tril sled. No way. The trail sled is designed for that riding, the MTX is designed for mountains. Once again,right tool for the job. My vote is not for an MTX in NH, VT, ME........ might be a reason they still have it, might be a reason no one else is riding an MTX in those areas........
YamahaRider10
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Purchase what you want and do not let others try to convince you otherwise. If you are unsure find one to try out. Only you can decide what is best for you to spend your money on.....after all, it is your money! I would be glad to let you take a rip on mine if there was enough snow left for that.
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Plenty in the mountains.......
Funny, plenty of snow left in the mountains. Got 9 feet last week 45 minutes from my house. Come on out and try mine.......
Funny, plenty of snow left in the mountains. Got 9 feet last week 45 minutes from my house. Come on out and try mine.......
lund
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I completely agree with Vmax4 comment, the Nytro mtx is not a good trail sled for many reasons. But unless you've riden a real trail sled it would be hard to understand why.
In actuality the Nytro mtx is niegther a good trail sled or a good mountian sled, unless it has been modified extensively. In comparison to the other 3 builders.
Will it do trail's? Sure it will, but don't expect to be grinning from ear to ear.
In actuality the Nytro mtx is niegther a good trail sled or a good mountian sled, unless it has been modified extensively. In comparison to the other 3 builders.
Will it do trail's? Sure it will, but don't expect to be grinning from ear to ear.
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Lund, agreed. That is why we make it a "decent" mountain sled with some more HP.....
loudelectronics
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Here are the downsides to the 2010+ MTX as a trail sled.
1- Poor fuel economy
2- Poor top end
Honestly, I do not miss my XTX at all for hitting the trails in the prairies here in MB. I have to use the trails to get to my back country riding in the turtle mountains. I also go out to Togwotee and Revelstoke to ride the mountains. Both places require you to ride trails to get to where you are going. Revelstoke and Sicamous have some of the most pouned out un maintained trails you will ever see. Whoops 4' high some times.
My 2013 MTX with Concept front end and Elka stage 5 shocks handles the trails so well. Even with teh skinnier front end it is more stable in the corners and predictable. The sled eats up the bump and goes where I want it to. The rear skid could use some bottoming resistance but over all it is very smooth and takes up most bumps. G outs still hurt a bit though and similar to the XTX in that respect.
When I do go out with teh family and cruise the trails through the parks i can drive the MTX as hard as I did the XTX. Teh XTX had a bit more slip in the corners and felt slightly shorter but over all I really do not notice the length of my 162 on the trail.
It is also nice to have the length and track depth for when off trail. I never get stuck in the prairies any more. So worth it to me and would buy another in a second for a sled around here.
As I mentioned the only part that sucks is the small tank. You cant go as far as the XTX will go because of the gearing and heavier track. You might want to go to a 20 tooth driver and re clutch for that.
I run the stock gearing and just change the weights in the clutch as I am going back and forth to the rockies all the time. So I want to have best performance in the mountains and I will sacrifice for the prairies.
1- Poor fuel economy
2- Poor top end
Honestly, I do not miss my XTX at all for hitting the trails in the prairies here in MB. I have to use the trails to get to my back country riding in the turtle mountains. I also go out to Togwotee and Revelstoke to ride the mountains. Both places require you to ride trails to get to where you are going. Revelstoke and Sicamous have some of the most pouned out un maintained trails you will ever see. Whoops 4' high some times.
My 2013 MTX with Concept front end and Elka stage 5 shocks handles the trails so well. Even with teh skinnier front end it is more stable in the corners and predictable. The sled eats up the bump and goes where I want it to. The rear skid could use some bottoming resistance but over all it is very smooth and takes up most bumps. G outs still hurt a bit though and similar to the XTX in that respect.
When I do go out with teh family and cruise the trails through the parks i can drive the MTX as hard as I did the XTX. Teh XTX had a bit more slip in the corners and felt slightly shorter but over all I really do not notice the length of my 162 on the trail.
It is also nice to have the length and track depth for when off trail. I never get stuck in the prairies any more. So worth it to me and would buy another in a second for a sled around here.
As I mentioned the only part that sucks is the small tank. You cant go as far as the XTX will go because of the gearing and heavier track. You might want to go to a 20 tooth driver and re clutch for that.
I run the stock gearing and just change the weights in the clutch as I am going back and forth to the rockies all the time. So I want to have best performance in the mountains and I will sacrifice for the prairies.
lund
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Revy and Sicamous have 4 foot high whoops on the trail, holy wowzer, where did you find those?
I live there and ride there, have yet to ever see 4 foot whoops, but i can say they can get pretty big. hahaha
Thats one of the problem with big tracks on trails, they F,up the trail with them lugs.
My understanding is on some provinces trail system the big lug tracks are not allowed.
I live there and ride there, have yet to ever see 4 foot whoops, but i can say they can get pretty big. hahaha
Thats one of the problem with big tracks on trails, they F,up the trail with them lugs.
My understanding is on some provinces trail system the big lug tracks are not allowed.
loudelectronics
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Eagles at the end of the day get 2-3 feet for about 15 miles. Keystone is really bad at the end of the season, Mt Hall is a roller coaster and Begbie was not far off.
lund
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These are all ungroomed trail systems and are unmaintained by the club except Eagles. The club trail systems are not like that, though they can get bad the club will run the groomer every day at days end on weekends or during busy time.
Plus thats what happens when everybody with there dog wants to ride here. If everybody rode where they lived, our trails would stay nice.
Plus thats what happens when everybody with there dog wants to ride here. If everybody rode where they lived, our trails would stay nice.
