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From all the relies here so far. Only one 1200 is an absolute barn burner. Wonder why?
Nytro vs. 1200 Ski-Doo
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Before I boosted my sled, i lined up with quite a few 1200's. Not one even came close to my tail light. With that said, i dont know how well these guys can tune. :exc:
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shaddow44 said:Gotta disagree with ya on the hp/tq numbers Andy...Nytro typically pulls in the low to mid 90s for torque...Doo is in the high 80s for torque...both motors are very equal.....and if we were closer...my shorty would be spanking your Gade
Totally stock motors.... 1200 DOO vs Nytro.
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shaddow44 said:Gotta disagree with ya on the hp/tq numbers Andy...Nytro typically pulls in the low to mid 90s for torque...Doo is in the high 80s for torque...both motors are very equal.....and if we were closer...my shorty would be spanking your Gade
The torque is almost the same numbers in stock form... Low 90-92... But the 1200 has more torque and hp at a lower RPM. That graph was from Dynotech.... The Nytro's torque falls just like the 1200 once you reach higher RPM..
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Andy...dyno graphs and modded numbers mean nothing in this thread...I've seen all kinds of dyno graphs on both engines from Dynotec and other dynos....all your pointing out is that the 1200 makes power lower down...how much time in a drag race is either one of those sleds at those rpms? split seconds maybe?. From the dyno numbers I've seen...the Nytro consistantly makes more HP/TQ. Showing me mod numbers also mean nothing...if I took my Nytro back to Dynotec it would probably make 155+ HP...and Mach9's would be closer to 160HP....it's just a number. It's how they perform in they field, and stock for stock the Nytro has a tad more grunt....I still say the Nytro is the better motor as they make a bit more power with 130CC less......The Doo motor does mod nicely, agreed there...guess I need to find a modded 1200 close to me to spank 
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shaddow44 said:Andy...dyno graphs and modded numbers mean nothing in this thread...I've seen all kinds of dyno graphs on both engines from Dynotec and other dynos....all your pointing out is that the 1200 makes power lower down...how much time in a drag race is either one of those sleds at those rpms? split seconds maybe?. From the dyno numbers I've seen...the Nytro consistantly makes more HP/TQ. Showing me mod numbers also mean nothing...if I took my Nytro back to Dynotec it would probably make 155+ HP...and Mach9's would be closer to 160HP....it's just a number. It's how they perform in they field, and stock for stock the Nytro has a tad more grunt....I still say the Nytro is the better motor as they make a bit more power with 130CC less......The Doo motor does mod nicely, agreed there...guess I need to find a modded 1200 close to me to spank
All, I was trying to point out is that it makes more power at a lower RPM, which USUALLY helps the sled alot more out of the hole.... So, in typical drag race, that means you would lose.... lol.... just kidding....
I know of some repective tuners that have dynoed both sleds and have tuned and drag raced them both at the Pro level... and they all says the same... Even one on this site can offer some insight, but that is for him to divuldge... Not me... The 1200 beats the Nytro... stock or modded...
I also believe a MODDED 1200 will beat a stock 2011 Apex in a 1000ft 1200ft or less... NOT ON TOP END OR ON A LAKE.
Why do you think the Late "Turk" used to have in his sig "Bring on the 1200's".... Because he could not beat them and he raced alot according to him, he was surrounded by 3 of them up in Manitoba... I could dig up some posts on Doo-talk if you would like where he posted on his buddies sled that had the same mods as me and you...
Ryan... All in good fun dude.... Take care and ride safe....
One more note... If we ever did get a chance to race.... I will tell you this much... Be prepared, because I am a biggest cheater in all aspects... I hate to lose... LOL....
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SledFreak said:shaddow44 said:Andy...dyno graphs and modded numbers mean nothing in this thread...I've seen all kinds of dyno graphs on both engines from Dynotec and other dynos....all your pointing out is that the 1200 makes power lower down...how much time in a drag race is either one of those sleds at those rpms? split seconds maybe?. From the dyno numbers I've seen...the Nytro consistantly makes more HP/TQ. Showing me mod numbers also mean nothing...if I took my Nytro back to Dynotec it would probably make 155+ HP...and Mach9's would be closer to 160HP....it's just a number. It's how they perform in they field, and stock for stock the Nytro has a tad more grunt....I still say the Nytro is the better motor as they make a bit more power with 130CC less......The Doo motor does mod nicely, agreed there...guess I need to find a modded 1200 close to me to spank
All, I was trying to point out is that it makes more power at a lower RPM, which USUALLY helps the sled alot more out of the hole.... So, in typical drag race, that means you would lose.... lol.... just kidding....
I know of some repective tuners that have dynoed both sleds and have tuned and drag raced them both at the Pro level... and they all says the same... Even one on this site can offer some insight, but that is for him to divuldge... Not me... The 1200 beats the Nytro... stock or modded...
I also believe a MODDED 1200 will beat a stock 2011 Apex in a 1000ft 1200ft or less... NOT ON TOP END OR ON A LAKE.
Why do you think the Late "Turk" used to have in his sig "Bring on the 1200's".... Because he could not beat them and he raced alot according to him, he was surrounded by 3 of them up in Manitoba... I could dig up some posts on Doo-talk if you would like where he posted on his buddies sled that had the same mods as me and you...
Ryan... All in good fun dude.... Take care and ride safe....
One more note... If we ever did get a chance to race.... I will tell you this much... Be prepared, because I am a big cheater in all aspects... I hate to lose... LOL....
Id like to see a modded 1200 go against mine, no problem waxing xtx nytros with my clutching right now in less than 600'. Holeshots are closer as I cant get enough traction without studs but roll on starts are hilarious. Out of my sight from the beginning. Not bashing the 1200s but it would be interesting to see it. Fine tuning the clutching on my '11 is all it needed to be dangerous in 660'.
SledFreak said:shaddow44 said:Andy...dyno graphs and modded numbers mean nothing in this thread...I've seen all kinds of dyno graphs on both engines from Dynotec and other dynos....all your pointing out is that the 1200 makes power lower down...how much time in a drag race is either one of those sleds at those rpms? split seconds maybe?. From the dyno numbers I've seen...the Nytro consistantly makes more HP/TQ. Showing me mod numbers also mean nothing...if I took my Nytro back to Dynotec it would probably make 155+ HP...and Mach9's would be closer to 160HP....it's just a number. It's how they perform in they field, and stock for stock the Nytro has a tad more grunt....I still say the Nytro is the better motor as they make a bit more power with 130CC less......The Doo motor does mod nicely, agreed there...guess I need to find a modded 1200 close to me to spank
All, I was trying to point out is that it makes more power at a lower RPM, which USUALLY helps the sled alot more out of the hole.... So, in typical drag race, that means you would lose.... lol.... just kidding....
I know of some repective tuners that have dynoed both sleds and have tuned and drag raced them both at the Pro level... and they all says the same... Even one on this site can offer some insight, but that is for him to divuldge... Not me... The 1200 beats the Nytro... stock or modded...
I also believe a MODDED 1200 will beat a stock 2011 Apex in a 1000ft 1200ft or less... NOT ON TOP END OR ON A LAKE.
Why do you think the Late "Turk" used to have in his sig "Bring on the 1200's".... Because he could not beat them and he raced alot according to him, he was surrounded by 3 of them up in Manitoba... I could dig up some posts on Doo-talk if you would like where he posted on his buddies sled that had the same mods as me and you...
Ryan... All in good fun dude.... Take care and ride safe....
One more note... If we ever did get a chance to race.... I will tell you this much... Be prepared, because I am a big cheater in all aspects... I hate to lose... LOL....
Turk always said he beat them and I believe that he did. With his knowledge in clutching alone he could get more out of a sled than most people. He would clutch for different kinds of races and knew how to get the power to the ground.
SledFreak said:shaddow44 said:Andy...dyno graphs and modded numbers mean nothing in this thread...I've seen all kinds of dyno graphs on both engines from Dynotec and other dynos....all your pointing out is that the 1200 makes power lower down...how much time in a drag race is either one of those sleds at those rpms? split seconds maybe?. From the dyno numbers I've seen...the Nytro consistantly makes more HP/TQ. Showing me mod numbers also mean nothing...if I took my Nytro back to Dynotec it would probably make 155+ HP...and Mach9's would be closer to 160HP....it's just a number. It's how they perform in they field, and stock for stock the Nytro has a tad more grunt....I still say the Nytro is the better motor as they make a bit more power with 130CC less......The Doo motor does mod nicely, agreed there...guess I need to find a modded 1200 close to me to spank
All, I was trying to point out is that it makes more power at a lower RPM, which USUALLY helps the sled alot more out of the hole.... So, in typical drag race, that means you would lose.... lol.... just kidding....
I know of some repective tuners that have dynoed both sleds and have tuned and drag raced them both at the Pro level... and they all says the same... Even one on this site can offer some insight, but that is for him to divuldge... Not me... The 1200 beats the Nytro... stock or modded...
I also believe a MODDED 1200 will beat a stock 2011 Apex in a 1000ft 1200ft or less... NOT ON TOP END OR ON A LAKE.
Why do you think the Late "Turk" used to have in his sig "Bring on the 1200's".... Because he could not beat them and he raced alot according to him, he was surrounded by 3 of them up in Manitoba... I could dig up some posts on Doo-talk if you would like where he posted on his buddies sled that had the same mods as me and you...
Ryan... All in good fun dude.... Take care and ride safe....
One more note... If we ever did get a chance to race.... I will tell you this much... Be prepared, because I am a biggest cheater in all aspects... I hate to lose... LOL....
Absolutly all in good fun Andy! I wish we hade snow to ride bro...dismal to say the least. I agree with Sleddog, I'm pretty sure had no issues beating 1200s....just like I wouldn't
.......For the guys who don't know, Sled Freak has had some pretty quick Yammis, Nytro included, so he he's a good resource for racing insite.....although since he's gone to the dark side it seems he's become a tad delusional lol
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SledFreak said:shaddow44 said:Andy...dyno graphs and modded numbers mean nothing in this thread...I've seen all kinds of dyno graphs on both engines from Dynotec and other dynos....all your pointing out is that the 1200 makes power lower down...how much time in a drag race is either one of those sleds at those rpms? split seconds maybe?. From the dyno numbers I've seen...the Nytro consistantly makes more HP/TQ. Showing me mod numbers also mean nothing...if I took my Nytro back to Dynotec it would probably make 155+ HP...and Mach9's would be closer to 160HP....it's just a number. It's how they perform in they field, and stock for stock the Nytro has a tad more grunt....I still say the Nytro is the better motor as they make a bit more power with 130CC less......The Doo motor does mod nicely, agreed there...guess I need to find a modded 1200 close to me to spank
I also believe a MODDED 1200 will beat a stock 2011 Apex in a 1000ft 1200ft or less... NOT ON TOP END OR ON A LAKE.
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Yes, I've been beat of two modded Renegade 1200 , last year with my stock 2011 Apex XTX. One with MCX 180, and one with MCX 250. But the 1200's without any boost, not a chance. Their behind from the first meter, and I don't know how far behind they are after 660 ft, 1000 ft, 2000 ft. Very far behind.
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Hey Freak and Ryan, why not settle this by meeting in the middle! Sudbury has a few good spots to run and I'm sure my son would like a piece of this action with his xtx. Been testing it along side my BB SRX and it hauls!
There are quite a few witnesses that the modified 1200's where beating Turks apex.Turk even said on doo talk he was impressed but said the opposite on here.
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I wanna race a 1200 with my Apex MTN, through open pow or highmarking but they were proclaimed as one of the Worst sleds ever made and I know of 3 of them in the area.....Every one of them needs a motor, I guess they just don't survive in the mountains. I havent actually seen one run just seen them sitting in garages In whistler.
with over 500 Ski-doo rev 800r's in town surprised I havent seen 1 1200 on the trail.
with over 500 Ski-doo rev 800r's in town surprised I havent seen 1 1200 on the trail.
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pro116 said:
Thanks for Clarifying pro116... I have had a few PM's from his buddy CSBRacing , who Turk raced and rode daily with each other ... I never made this up and Turk made claims about how good the 1200 ran, especially with a PB80, all On Doo-talk, but like stated, he would not admit it on here...
Turks 2011 Apex also had a Yamahacharger. BUT, I will say this, I believe the 11's Apex, which Turk had, needed a Fuel Controller in order to harness the power and had to run good 91 Octane or it would pull timing.
The last message I got from CSBRacing was that him and Turk lined up, CSB beat him by 3-4 sled lengths and Turk did not want to race anymore.. CSB had a 2009 1200 gade with a MBRP header, Hindle can, RB3 box, PB80 Clutching with different Helix and spring, all with stock track...
Turk took a serious offence to it when I mentioned it in a PM to another member on here.
This is how this post here got a little out of control..
http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=98460&start=0
