Nikolai
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morrisond said:
The exhuast won't drop any more than 10 lbs. The ZX2 won't save near 25 lbs, you won't want to remove the airbox, and the Diamond Drive won't save more than 7-8 lbs plus it will be a huge PIA to install and it's not worth the hassle (i've been down that road, put one in my Rev).
When modding sleds, numbers are always inflated. Take the claimed weight savings and subtract about a fourth of it and you'll be close.
morrisond
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Well maybe not 103 but should be able to take 50-75 out of it. Reading more on the exhaust it sounds like 10 is more realistic, but I know the Nytro Rear Suspension is very heavy.
The Diamond Drive now has an light weight version available along with an light weight brake disc(-2 lbs) and trackshaft (-2lbs). Those Yammie Shafts are heavy, and you are lowering the center of gravity at the same time which helps handling. The tunnel would be custom so it shouldn't be that big of an PITA. I have one on an F1000 and really like how it and the Arctic Brake works, much better than the Yammie.
The Diamond Drive now has an light weight version available along with an light weight brake disc(-2 lbs) and trackshaft (-2lbs). Those Yammie Shafts are heavy, and you are lowering the center of gravity at the same time which helps handling. The tunnel would be custom so it shouldn't be that big of an PITA. I have one on an F1000 and really like how it and the Arctic Brake works, much better than the Yammie.
morrisond
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These numbers are from an guy from AD Boivin who posted on this site but kind of hard to flub.
52-53 : ZX-2
60-63 : Expert X
72-75 : Yamaha Monoshock
80 +/- : Dual shock Yamaha
I don't know what shocks they use, but there might be some savings there, maybe ti springs, carbon wheels, call it 30 lb savings.
52-53 : ZX-2
60-63 : Expert X
72-75 : Yamaha Monoshock
80 +/- : Dual shock Yamaha
I don't know what shocks they use, but there might be some savings there, maybe ti springs, carbon wheels, call it 30 lb savings.
morrisond
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Nikolai
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You can't do the diamond drive anyway unless you want to hack up the cast bulkhead(have you looked inside your nytro recently?)
I'm not saying you're numbers are wrong. But I have been down the lightweight road before. If you ride hard, you'll end up adding weight while busy bracing all your bent lightweight parts.
I'm not saying you're numbers are wrong. But I have been down the lightweight road before. If you ride hard, you'll end up adding weight while busy bracing all your bent lightweight parts.
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morrisond
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I ride hard and fast, but when the trails get really junky I go home, I don't jump, but like an sled that is really responsive. I never break chasis parts, just engines and tracks...
Haven't looked at the Bulkhead in detail. That's too bad I really like how DD works.
Haven't looked at the Bulkhead in detail. That's too bad I really like how DD works.
morrisond
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The quest continues... Updated List
Lightweight Carbon A-arms, LW Bolts from Carbonsled with Barkbuster Spindles from Timbersled 14 lbs
USI Railer Skis 2 lbs
Light Weight Steering Post from CR 2 lbs
Hauck Exhaust and Headers 10 lbs
Hauck Airbox Delete 3 lbs
Timbersled MTN Tamer Rear End with Carbonsled Carbon rails and Carbon Wheels 45 lbs
14x128x1 Track 6 lbs
Custom Tunnel from Vanamburg 10 lbs(Guess)
Ti Trackshaft and LW Brake Disc 3 lbs
Carbon Hood and Body Parts 5 lbs
Custom Seat from Mod Sleds and plastic delete 6 lbs
Light weight battery 12 lbs
Total 118 lbs....
Not sure if I'll do this, but it would really neat to get under 400lbs dry..
What were weights of actual sleds out of the crate?
Lightweight Carbon A-arms, LW Bolts from Carbonsled with Barkbuster Spindles from Timbersled 14 lbs
USI Railer Skis 2 lbs
Light Weight Steering Post from CR 2 lbs
Hauck Exhaust and Headers 10 lbs
Hauck Airbox Delete 3 lbs
Timbersled MTN Tamer Rear End with Carbonsled Carbon rails and Carbon Wheels 45 lbs
14x128x1 Track 6 lbs
Custom Tunnel from Vanamburg 10 lbs(Guess)
Ti Trackshaft and LW Brake Disc 3 lbs
Carbon Hood and Body Parts 5 lbs
Custom Seat from Mod Sleds and plastic delete 6 lbs
Light weight battery 12 lbs
Total 118 lbs....
Not sure if I'll do this, but it would really neat to get under 400lbs dry..
What were weights of actual sleds out of the crate?
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For what its worth, be realistic. If you are trying to build a one-off custom machine to show off, cool, more power to 'ya. I love looking at the far out customs!! (hint, looking...)
If you are trying to cut weight to be the baddest machine on the trail, and you expect to be the fastest out there, don't waste your money. There are a million things you can do to be faster without matching the US Federal deficit!
Look at what the race guys run, but also look at what it takes to keep one of them up and running. They break alot of stuff too.
Factory engineering is pretty durable, and reliable. Changing too many things on your sled, and you'll end up going back in time, and wrenching to ride!
For what its worth, be realistic. If you are trying to build a one-off custom machine to show off, cool, more power to 'ya. I love looking at the far out customs!! (hint, looking...)
If you are trying to cut weight to be the baddest machine on the trail, and you expect to be the fastest out there, don't waste your money. There are a million things you can do to be faster without matching the US Federal deficit!
Look at what the race guys run, but also look at what it takes to keep one of them up and running. They break alot of stuff too.
Factory engineering is pretty durable, and reliable. Changing too many things on your sled, and you'll end up going back in time, and wrenching to ride!
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If I do it, It won't be to have the fastest, I don't intend to race anyone, it's to have an very responsive sled which you can enjoy every twist and turn of the trail.
I have an memory of an 700SX from 1997 in my head. I can't remember exactly what I did, but I think the airbox was ditched, tripples were put one, USI skis were added. I think I dropped about 35 lbs off the front, I almost cried it handled so well, it was probaly somehwere around 460-470.
Now that was an sled with an much lower center of gravity, and it would be hard to match that for handling.
I also remember my 03 Fcat, one of the light 435 lb ones, it was so nimble in the tight twisites, I think mainly because of the weight.
On faster trails weight doesn't matter but in the tight twisties, it does.
I don't know if I would go as exteme as I suggested up top, but if I took the money I would spend to upgrade to an '09 in Canada(I think it may be somewhere around $7-8,000 this year, as the U.S. new sled low prices has killed our sled resale values) and put it into the '08 75 lbs loss is possible.
Just change the exhaust, battery, front and rear suspensions, steering post, airbox delete and you would lose about 70-80 lbs for $7,000-$8,000. It's possible and would get the dry weight to about 450, into the range of handling nirvana.
Just an thought. I thought everyone would be all over this.
I have an memory of an 700SX from 1997 in my head. I can't remember exactly what I did, but I think the airbox was ditched, tripples were put one, USI skis were added. I think I dropped about 35 lbs off the front, I almost cried it handled so well, it was probaly somehwere around 460-470.
Now that was an sled with an much lower center of gravity, and it would be hard to match that for handling.
I also remember my 03 Fcat, one of the light 435 lb ones, it was so nimble in the tight twisites, I think mainly because of the weight.
On faster trails weight doesn't matter but in the tight twisties, it does.
I don't know if I would go as exteme as I suggested up top, but if I took the money I would spend to upgrade to an '09 in Canada(I think it may be somewhere around $7-8,000 this year, as the U.S. new sled low prices has killed our sled resale values) and put it into the '08 75 lbs loss is possible.
Just change the exhaust, battery, front and rear suspensions, steering post, airbox delete and you would lose about 70-80 lbs for $7,000-$8,000. It's possible and would get the dry weight to about 450, into the range of handling nirvana.
Just an thought. I thought everyone would be all over this.
morrisond
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If I do it, It won't be to have the fastest, I don't intend to race anyone, it's to have an very responsive sled which you can enjoy every twist and turn of the trail.
I have an memory of an 700SX from 1997 in my head. I can't remember exactly what I did, but I think the airbox was ditched, tripples were put one, USI skis were added. I think I dropped about 35 lbs off the front, I almost cried it handled so well, it was probaly somehwere around 460-470.
Now that was an sled with an much lower center of gravity, and it would be hard to match that for handling.
I also remember my 03 Fcat, one of the light 435 lb ones, it was so nimble in the tight twisites, I think mainly because of the weight.
On faster trails weight doesn't matter but in the tight twisties, it does.
I don't know if I would go as exteme as I suggested up top, but if I took the money I would spend to upgrade to an '09 in Canada(I think it may be somewhere around $7-8,000 this year, as the U.S. new sled low prices has killed our sled resale values) and put it into the '08 75 lbs loss is possible.
Just change the exhaust, battery, front and rear suspensions, steering post, airbox delete and you would lose about 70-80 lbs for $7,000-$8,000. It's possible and would get the dry weight to about 450, into the range of handling nirvana.
Just an thought. I thought everyone would be all over this.
I have an memory of an 700SX from 1997 in my head. I can't remember exactly what I did, but I think the airbox was ditched, tripples were put one, USI skis were added. I think I dropped about 35 lbs off the front, I almost cried it handled so well, it was probaly somehwere around 460-470.
Now that was an sled with an much lower center of gravity, and it would be hard to match that for handling.
I also remember my 03 Fcat, one of the light 435 lb ones, it was so nimble in the tight twisites, I think mainly because of the weight.
On faster trails weight doesn't matter but in the tight twisties, it does.
I don't know if I would go as exteme as I suggested up top, but if I took the money I would spend to upgrade to an '09 in Canada(I think it may be somewhere around $7-8,000 this year, as the U.S. new sled low prices has killed our sled resale values) and put it into the '08 75 lbs loss is possible.
Just change the exhaust, battery, front and rear suspensions, steering post, airbox delete and you would lose about 70-80 lbs for $7,000-$8,000. It's possible and would get the dry weight to about 450, into the range of handling nirvana.
Just an thought. I thought everyone would be all over this.
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Been down the less weight path and its just not worth it to me. I can't tell a difference when the gas tank is full or empty so I guess I'm nto senstive enough. I definitly wont be chasing 2lbs here or there.
I think the AD site was talking about the proaction skid that weighed 72 lbs, the mono weighs 56 I beleive, and the ZX2 in 121 weighs 52 lbs.
I think the AD site was talking about the proaction skid that weighed 72 lbs, the mono weighs 56 I beleive, and the ZX2 in 121 weighs 52 lbs.
morrisond
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The trick rear suspension set up is an Timbersled MTN Tamer rear end with Carbon wheels and rails from Carbonsled, should weigh only about 30-31 lbs...
rightarm
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snoman said:
Exactly!
It's funny to see overweight people on a snowmobile asking about performance mods!WTF look in the mirror.bdm
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Exactly!
This is not a terribly useful comment
