OK, what do you think????

[LT1MCSS]

OK lets not start a flame war or bashing thread here, BUT.....what do you guys think of the new 08 Rev XP? Not really looking for ppl's opinion on how it looks because thats all personal preference because im sure alot of ppl will say its ugly haha. I know i personally don't care for the looks to much. I would have to see one in person.

Let me start by saying i am very happy with my Apex. Everyone i know rides ski doo, arctic cat, or polaris. All i heard was weight this and weight that but i got it anyway. So far so good the 4 stroke seems strong and smooth. My main reason for gettign the yamaha was the reliability of the 4 stroke so i hope it won't let me down.

Fast forward to last weekend when doo released the rev xp trailer. I can' believe how light these sleds are. I must say they definately did a good job keeping the weight down on these things. The full lineup hasnt been released but we can probably look to see fully loaded sleds with electric start in the 450 pound range with the 150hp 800R motor. Now 50 pounds, ok, that can be overlooked but damn they are almost 100 pounds lighter and some of their smaller cc stripper sleds are down in the 400 pound range. What do you guys think?

I know a few guys that rode them up in colebrook and said it was the best sled they ever rode. Two of them were doo guys anyway so i kinda expected that from them. The other guy rode an F-7. Two of them put pre-orders in already. Hopefually next season i'll be able to take one for a ride. I'd like to see how they hold up though. Thats my only concern is that they might have sacraficed to much durability to gain weight savings. They claim 37% stronger but we'll see right.

Like i said they did a good job keeping the weight down. I think if Ski Doo can do it then Yamaha can do it too. The new R1 street bike has a dry weight of 390 pounds! I would like to see the next variation of the Apex really shed some weight. If yamaha does that i will be buying one for sure. If they don't i must say if i like the new Rev XP you might see one of those in my garage for the 09 season.

 

[Mighty]

Pull the engine out of the Nytro FX and install Doo's 2-smoke and you'd be right there weight wise. But do you really want a 2-smoke? I'll take the little added weight for the most reliable, longest lasting and most durable engine on the snow bar none in a heartbeat :ORC

 

[LT1MCSS]

hahaha me and my buddy we arguring last night. He is Mr. Ski Doo. I'll be honest im sick of hearing how great Doo is and how they can't do anything wrong and how heavy my sled is. I don't even really talk about it much but he feels the need to tell me all the time anyway haha.

Yamaha really took a hit for a few years i think by goign 4-stroke. I hope for them their hard work pays off in the next few years. They are gettign some good solid motors in their sleds then they can cut weight. Once thats done, i hope to see yammi on top

They say 4 stroke snowmobiling is the way of the future. If thats the case polaris, ski doo and arctic cat have alot of work to do. If that happens due to epa requirments and such i think Doo might run into some trouble. Not even offering a 4 stroke sled and a lightweight chasis that wouldnt be able to handle a 4stroke. Can you say starting from sq 1. That would be a nightmare.

 

[skoalring11]

I saw the xp in person and I personaly dont see the sled being durable at all. The running boards are so thin I swear if you hit a big mougal your foot woud go right thru. I mean they are light but how light is to light. If you get one I hope they work on the motor a little to increase reliability. I gusse well see in the next year if the motor holds up.

 

[LT1MCSS]

I personally wouldnt even consider buying one till 09. I'm a member of all the boards and i was over on doo talk poking around a bit. Same ole same ole basically lotta guys complaining thier 800 and 800R's blowing up. There is actually a post from a demo ride about the new XP. First ride out the demo Rev XP blew up in front of about 60 people which really sucks. I guess it was the only one at this particular ride in MI. Nothing worse than trying to sell a new sled and having it meltdown.

Its funny you mention the floorboards thats the first thing i noticed. At that point they should just put nerfbars with netting on them like the do quads.

I was happy to see some of the doo guys giving the new Nytro some credit too.

 

[shadow637]

BRP has had a great chassis in the Rev and will probably have a better chassis in the XP if it is durable. Their motors are the problem for me, reliability is not their strong suit and they do not like to stand behind problems that are well known (ie. flaking rings, and de-laminating carb boots).

I have riden Doo's for the last 5 years- I switched to a Doo race sled for sno-x racing and ditchbanging in 01. I was entirely Yamaha before that. Since the switch I have changed more rings than I care to remember and had way too many trips cut short due to breakdowns.

The Nytro is what I have been waiting for- reliability in a chassis that is made for big bumps...

 

[silversurfer]

BRP has had a great chassis in the Rev and will probably have a better chassis in the XP if it is durable. Their motors are the problem for me, reliability is not their strong suit and they do not like to stand behind problems that are well known (ie. flaking rings, and de-laminating carb boots).

I have riden Doo's for the last 5 years- I switched to a Doo race sled for sno-x racing and ditchbanging in 01. I was entirely Yamaha before that. Since the switch I have changed more rings than I care to remember and had way too many trips cut short due to breakdowns.

The Nytro is what I have been waiting for- reliability in a chassis that is made for big bumps...

I know it looks like a tough choice on paper - believe me, that incredible weight loss is not lost on me. People always get stuck, and even the Nytro wouldn't be fun to dig out.

However, I just could not, could not buy an XP. The story you just told us illustrated why - I do not trust their reliability. The worst thing I have ever heard about with Yamaha was the 99 crank fiasco on the SRX's. Doo - not bashing them, but I have read dozens and dozens of stories about melting engines and other problems. The Nytro will get comparable or better gas mileage, save a ton in oil, have better torque (won't match that awesome p-t-w ratio, but it is far from a dog), and can go 15k miles with just oil changes every year.

If you are looking to buy in 09 - I have no insider info, this is a shot in the dark - I guarantee you the update to the Apex will be nothing short of amazing. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 170 hp engine in a 520ish lb body, compared to the chubby 150/560 it is now.

I've always said ride what you like, and if you go Doo, good for you. But be aware that if they haven't fixed the engines, all the power in the world won't keep you from being out of business while they fix your sled.

 

[LT1MCSS]

BRP has had a great chassis in the Rev and will probably have a better chassis in the XP if it is durable. Their motors are the problem for me, reliability is not their strong suit and they do not like to stand behind problems that are well known (ie. flaking rings, and de-laminating carb boots).

I have riden Doo's for the last 5 years- I switched to a Doo race sled for sno-x racing and ditchbanging in 01. I was entirely Yamaha before that. Since the switch I have changed more rings than I care to remember and had way too many trips cut short due to breakdowns.

The Nytro is what I have been waiting for- reliability in a chassis that is made for big bumps...

I know it looks like a tough choice on paper - believe me, that incredible weight loss is not lost on me. People always get stuck, and even the Nytro wouldn't be fun to dig out.

However, I just could not, could not buy an XP. The story you just told us illustrated why - I do not trust their reliability. The worst thing I have ever heard about with Yamaha was the 99 crank fiasco on the SRX's. Doo - not bashing them, but I have read dozens and dozens of stories about melting engines and other problems. The Nytro will get comparable or better gas mileage, save a ton in oil, have better torque (won't match that awesome p-t-w ratio, but it is far from a dog), and can go 15k miles with just oil changes every year.

If you are looking to buy in 09 - I have no insider info, this is a shot in the dark - I guarantee you the update to the Apex will be nothing short of amazing. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 170 hp engine in a 520ish lb body, compared to the chubby 150/560 it is now.

I've always said ride what you like, and if you go Doo, good for you. But be aware that if they haven't fixed the engines, all the power in the world won't keep you from being out of business while they fix your sled.

True and your abosultely right about BRP and their engine reliability. Thats is why i bought the yammi. I was all set to sign the papers on an 06 ski doo and just couldnt pull the trigger? Why you ask? Because i was just gettign ready to spend $8400 on a machine and didnt know whether it would last 500 miles or 5000 miles. Then i started looking at yamaha and the rest is history. I was sold on their reliabilty even though they weighed 50 extra pounds.

Basically like i said all i hear is doo this and doo that from my buddy who is a really good kid. He himself has only been riding only a year, so he's only had 2 rev sleds. One has 1500 miles but he hasnt left it stock long enough to see how it will really last and the 2nd has 400 miles on it. I was just curious to see what you guys thought about what doo was able to do with the weight. I kno i made a comment to him last that i see alot of doo guys jumping in to bash us on weight and cc's but they don't like it when someone take sa shot a them cuz their sleds blow up!!!!! Obviously he denied it and said us yamaha guys were eager to bash them becuase just because our sleds are heavier.


Bottom line is we are all entitiled to our opinion here. I'm glad to see some yamaha and doo guys posting in here and actually being honest rather than just bashing.

 

[Yama-Crazy]

I will never go back to any 2-smoke. NUF said. :ORC

 

[Yamattak]

I'm with you Yama-crazy.. I just got back from a trip to Maine with a couple of friends that ride cats. After a couple of days of riding some real torn up trails I would start to feel the weight of my Attak at the end of the day but all I kept thinking was that I would never go back to riding a 2-stroke. Sure less weight would be great and Yamaha will keep tweeking these sleds and get the weight down. I came from doo 2 years ago and never had a problem at all so I don't have anything bad to say about them and the rev xp looks like a great sled... I just have to say that

 

[pro116]

I seen some videos of then new mtn sleds and them baby's can climb.

 

[LT1MCSS]

I'm with you Yama-crazy.. I just got back from a trip to Maine with a couple of friends that ride cats. After a couple of days of riding some real torn up trails I would start to feel the weight of my Attak at the end of the day but all I kept thinking was that I would never go back to riding a 2-stroke. Sure less weight would be great and Yamaha will keep tweeking these sleds and get the weight down. I came from doo 2 years ago and never had a problem at all so I don't have anything bad to say about them and the rev xp looks like a great sled... I just have to say that

What made you switch over. I'm curious was it just to have the 4 stroke? I've seen guys switching but mostly it was due to some kind of problem. I think thats the reason most guys switch brands.

 

[Yama-Crazy]

I had Doo's too at one time..just got tired of every 2,200 miles the crank bearing going out and putting all that expensive 2-smoke oil in ant $7.00 a quart! Not to mention spark plug caps that vibrated loose all the time and fouling..and many other little problems that most 2-smokes have! :ORC

 

[Yamattak]

I've never been super brand loyal. I've owned all brands but I just like trying new stuff. It was a real tough decision to make the switch to Yamaha because I had a chance to ride an 03 RX-1 and wasn't impressed. I did get a chance to test ride the 06 Yamaha stuff and was totally impressed and I loved the idea of a high performance 4-stroke. We tested the Doo's the same day I was sure we were going to buy Doo again but while my wife and I were test riding the Doo's, my wife fouled plugs on the GSX 600 SDI she was on. The Doo rep told us not to let the SDI motors idle at a stop for to long or they would foul plugs. A friend that I ride with has changed about 12 sets of plugs this year in his 2 doo's!! One is the SDI and the other is the standared 600 HO. He does usually get a little better mileage than my Attak but I don't ever have to lift the hood to add oil or change plugs. Who knows, in a few years maybe I'll be riding a different brand but it will have to be as good or better than a Yamaha 4-STROKE and that will be a challenge for the other 3 manufacturers. I'm thinking about adding the Nytro MTX to the stable but its been a tough sell to the wife. Anybody interested in a 1974 Toyota Landcruiser (see avatar)?

 

[kyzer]

I am glad that the new Ski -Doo sled are lighter, just makes them easier when they meltdown there motors and have to tow them home with my Yammi .....