YamaMikeRTX
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Hey Guys,
My buddies thinking of buying a phazer mtx to use as a crossover sled. This means he needs it to be trail capable. I dont mean it has to beable to rip at 80 mph all day, just keep up with regular trail sled.
I was wondering if it would make more sense to stretch a reg phazer or buy new frt shocks for a mtx.
We have no exp with phazers any info would be great.
Thx, Mike
My buddies thinking of buying a phazer mtx to use as a crossover sled. This means he needs it to be trail capable. I dont mean it has to beable to rip at 80 mph all day, just keep up with regular trail sled.
I was wondering if it would make more sense to stretch a reg phazer or buy new frt shocks for a mtx.
We have no exp with phazers any info would be great.
Thx, Mike
doo_man
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With clutching/gearing changes I think the MTX would be capable on the trail and decent in the deep stuff too. I love it, it's a blast to ride!
SnOrIdEr
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i love my mtx, i do probably 50% of and 50% on trail ridding, it keeps up with my friends 600 mxz, and 600 summit
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I grew up in NH, and although you had a GREAT snow year with double the average snow fall, I don't think the phazer mtx is the sled for you guys.
First off, it is going to have the narrow mountain front end, which is not a dream when trying to ride at higher trail speeds, plus the suspension is calibrated for mostly of trail riding.
Second, the 2" track profile works on hardpack, but is not as nearly trail oriented as a lower profile track typically found on the cross over sled market. Expect hyfax wear and the need for scratchers when ridden on the trails in the east.
Third, all the yamaha mountain sleds are shipped set up for 8,000 - 10,500 elevation. While it should be the responsibility of the selling dealer to set it to elevation, I bet they are going to try and charge you for the gear and clutching to set it for the sea level setting (all new england and east coast riding)
Fourth, no matter how you cut it, the phazer MTX is still only 80 hp. In the mountain set up, it is geared low and is pretty fun to boondock on and I never really think it is terribly under powered, but you are still trying to turn alot more track and a fair bit more weight. It is likely you would be dissapointed with the power and deffinately in top end if it was mostly a east cost trail sled.
Ask yourself this, "How many mountain sleds do you see on the trails in New England?" And the ones you do see are more than likely someone who thought they needed that much sled and actually can't really put it into its purpose built application 99% of the time.
I would suggest buying a true set up fomr the factory cross over sled. Check out the FXNytro XTX. You get great shocks, the appropriate track, more than likely set up for what you will actually bedoing with the sled. I would suggest forgetting abut the situations you were in this winter wishing for a longer track, and think about the snow conditions over the past 5 years.
Just my 2 cents, I have a mountain sled only because we get consistantly over 200 inches of snow fall each year and most of the areas we like to play in are only groomed to the play area, then you are on your own. In New England, you are on private lands and pretty much trail riding. When you get off trail, you are on private property and don't have the thousands of acres of state land like we do in the west. Mountain sleds are no where near as fun on trail, just aren't set up for that sort of thing.
First off, it is going to have the narrow mountain front end, which is not a dream when trying to ride at higher trail speeds, plus the suspension is calibrated for mostly of trail riding.
Second, the 2" track profile works on hardpack, but is not as nearly trail oriented as a lower profile track typically found on the cross over sled market. Expect hyfax wear and the need for scratchers when ridden on the trails in the east.
Third, all the yamaha mountain sleds are shipped set up for 8,000 - 10,500 elevation. While it should be the responsibility of the selling dealer to set it to elevation, I bet they are going to try and charge you for the gear and clutching to set it for the sea level setting (all new england and east coast riding)
Fourth, no matter how you cut it, the phazer MTX is still only 80 hp. In the mountain set up, it is geared low and is pretty fun to boondock on and I never really think it is terribly under powered, but you are still trying to turn alot more track and a fair bit more weight. It is likely you would be dissapointed with the power and deffinately in top end if it was mostly a east cost trail sled.
Ask yourself this, "How many mountain sleds do you see on the trails in New England?" And the ones you do see are more than likely someone who thought they needed that much sled and actually can't really put it into its purpose built application 99% of the time.
I would suggest buying a true set up fomr the factory cross over sled. Check out the FXNytro XTX. You get great shocks, the appropriate track, more than likely set up for what you will actually bedoing with the sled. I would suggest forgetting abut the situations you were in this winter wishing for a longer track, and think about the snow conditions over the past 5 years.
Just my 2 cents, I have a mountain sled only because we get consistantly over 200 inches of snow fall each year and most of the areas we like to play in are only groomed to the play area, then you are on your own. In New England, you are on private lands and pretty much trail riding. When you get off trail, you are on private property and don't have the thousands of acres of state land like we do in the west. Mountain sleds are no where near as fun on trail, just aren't set up for that sort of thing.
YamaMikeRTX
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Thanks for your honest opinion. I too agree that the xtx is probably the right choice. He'll have a hell of a time catching up to my nytro on the phazer! My buddy is set on the phazer thought because he only weighs 150lbs and wants a sled he can whip. I wish they made a phazer crossover sled.
I realize that New England got an abnormal amount of snow. If it ever happens again I will be prepared! Absolut most fun I have ever had was whipping through 2ft of powder, and i actually got to carve for the first time!! I think we'll be planning a trip out west
next year!
I realize that New England got an abnormal amount of snow. If it ever happens again I will be prepared! Absolut most fun I have ever had was whipping through 2ft of powder, and i actually got to carve for the first time!! I think we'll be planning a trip out west
next year!
SnOrIdEr
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vmax4 its fuel injection, it desnt need t be reset, it resets its self
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SnOrIdEr,
I didn't mention anything about fuel injection. I was talking gearing, clutching, and the basics of mountain sled set up. Those items do not reset themselves.
I didn't mention anything about fuel injection. I was talking gearing, clutching, and the basics of mountain sled set up. Those items do not reset themselves.
SnOrIdEr
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im not in that much elevation, but im pretty high, no problems with clutching or anything
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well i live in mass but ride in western maine rangeley area. i had a rx1 and bought a used mountainmax for my wife. well needless to say wife got pregnant and i sold the rx1. once you go to a 2 inch track you will never go back.i do a 50/50 mix of trail and boondocking. i will say that i wouldnt go with anything longer than a 144 in the east, but i think that is the perfect track for around here.
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SnOrIdEr,
Try riding a sled set for 8,000 - 10,500 feet in elevation at sea level (basically New England). Yeah, it will run and move, but not with any performace. I would bet it would over rev and possibly do engine damage.
Try riding a sled set for 8,000 - 10,500 feet in elevation at sea level (basically New England). Yeah, it will run and move, but not with any performace. I would bet it would over rev and possibly do engine damage.
I have an Apen MTN and live in NH. Yamaha have a calabration program for Mtn sleds to get them set for what ever elavation you want. Yamaha covers the parts, you pay for insulation or do it your self.
As far as handleing goes, that is a matter of oppinion. It is not going to be a ditch banger that you go flying through the trails. It can be set up well enough to keep up with most people. I ride with plenty of short tracks and don't have a problem keeping up with most. The best thing is watching all of the short tracks bounce around, while I just glide over everything.
Hyafax wear all depends on the rider. You see plenty of low profile track people on hear going through hyfax in less than 500 miles. I have 1,500 miles on the set I have on now and plenty left on them. First set went 500 miles. My fault, frozen lake, no snow. I do run a set of fins on my skis to help keep snow in my track.
No regrets owenong this sled.
As far as handleing goes, that is a matter of oppinion. It is not going to be a ditch banger that you go flying through the trails. It can be set up well enough to keep up with most people. I ride with plenty of short tracks and don't have a problem keeping up with most. The best thing is watching all of the short tracks bounce around, while I just glide over everything.
Hyafax wear all depends on the rider. You see plenty of low profile track people on hear going through hyfax in less than 500 miles. I have 1,500 miles on the set I have on now and plenty left on them. First set went 500 miles. My fault, frozen lake, no snow. I do run a set of fins on my skis to help keep snow in my track.
No regrets owenong this sled.
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CHRIS MTN,
I grew up in NH and have ridden around the Warren area a ton. We used to unload on Stevens Road in Canaan, NH. I have lots of fond memories in that area. Nothing like buzzing down the old rail bed or busting through the fields on the way to Littleton. Also love the Hardy Country Club's area. Don't forget the Andover Snowmobile Club (where I grew up) they do a superb job also.
Anyway, yes there are elevation kits, but you will have to find a dealer willing to do that. They do not get "paid" so to speak for the work, and most will not allow you to take the parts and do it yourself. Besides that will not include changing the drivers out, and will definately not include a track. All and all, you can't beat a short track for trail riding. I think the XTX is going to be the answer for many people.
Also, have to remember, you had a pretty "above average" snow year back east. Take a regular snow year, and those hyfax are probably going to be toast a lot sooner.
Out of curiosity, what are the fins on the skiis you mentioned. I am looking for an alternative to scratchers, and have considered something for the skiis.
I grew up in NH and have ridden around the Warren area a ton. We used to unload on Stevens Road in Canaan, NH. I have lots of fond memories in that area. Nothing like buzzing down the old rail bed or busting through the fields on the way to Littleton. Also love the Hardy Country Club's area. Don't forget the Andover Snowmobile Club (where I grew up) they do a superb job also.
Anyway, yes there are elevation kits, but you will have to find a dealer willing to do that. They do not get "paid" so to speak for the work, and most will not allow you to take the parts and do it yourself. Besides that will not include changing the drivers out, and will definately not include a track. All and all, you can't beat a short track for trail riding. I think the XTX is going to be the answer for many people.
Also, have to remember, you had a pretty "above average" snow year back east. Take a regular snow year, and those hyfax are probably going to be toast a lot sooner.
Out of curiosity, what are the fins on the skiis you mentioned. I am looking for an alternative to scratchers, and have considered something for the skiis.
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Vmax4 said:
Probably the cooling fin that you can purchase for the Simmons Flexi ski. It kicks snow back into the tunnel
I am running the Simmons Fins. They make quite a difference for a pretty basic idea. This year we have had good snow but the past to have been bad. I have never seen my temp light come on. I also know what I have for a sled and do make every attemp to get extra snow into my track when ridding. If the trails are bullet proof i don't try to go out. As long as there is at least a little loose snow I am fine. Wether it is the fins our my larger paddles that throw up a lot of snow, but I have passed short traccks with there tracks stuck to there hyfax. I ride with a bunch of other guys that all ride MTN sleds and you don't want to follow to close to any of us because of the snow these tracks will kick up.
I know the areas you are talking about. Don't forget the power line that run through there. My personal favotites. I bought this sled because I wanted a decent trail sled and a great of trail sled. There is not a lot that will let you by a great trail and an O.K off trail sled
I know the areas you are talking about. Don't forget the power line that run through there. My personal favotites. I bought this sled because I wanted a decent trail sled and a great of trail sled. There is not a lot that will let you by a great trail and an O.K off trail sled
Phazed-Coug
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Yeah you'll want scratchers for sure, and possibly even a shorter lug...
But I think it would be a great cross-over.
The new nytro XTX is a 144, just like mtn lite..
and its supposed to be a crossover.
But I think it would be a great cross-over.
The new nytro XTX is a 144, just like mtn lite..
and its supposed to be a crossover.
