blackattak
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I originally had Doolys on my RX-1 & found they push badly, switched to StudBoy Deuces & night & day HUGE IMPROVEMENT !!! The design of them allows the bar & the carbide to help steer. They are on my Attak now, only place they push a bit more would be on pavement or concrete.
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Ok, the last two posts are enough to convince me. I’m ordering a set of Deuce bars. Now I just need to decide between the 6" and 9". Thanks guys! 
nb-attak
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i have the deuce bar with only 4 1/2 carbides. THey handle great lots of bite. 9 inches is serious overkill. I wouldn't even think of having more than 6" of carbide.
Shoulders and arms will get one hell of a workout with the 9 inch bars.
apltx08
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I have 6" on a non studed 136" #1
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6" it is! 
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I have pilots on my rtx with 4" carbides and my sled pushes like crazy. I love it though I'd rather have push than inside ski lift!
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Number1kyster, in your avatar picture is that how high you are running your front end? I would guess with the front end that high it would cause the sled to push bad and cause the inside ski to lift as well.
For me (I realize we all use our sleds differently and therefore set them up differently) getting the front end down along with the other adjustments mentioned reduced the pushing and inside ski lift and all around made the sled feel much more stable (even in the moguls). Since I made these adjustments (that I learned about on this site) my sled corners much better/flatter and feels a lot more like my SRX with one major difference, I can now also kill moguls! I took a couple fast runs (60-80mph) down a 3 mile stretch of very bumped up trail with 2-3 footers with drops, square edged moguls and lots of turns and felt way more confident and stable than I did earlier that day before I made the adjustments. The funny thing was because I felt sooo much more confident I was able to go faster making the ride even smoother. It almost doesn’t make sense on paper but it works!!!
After putting the Deuce bars on if I do experience any inside ski lift or increased instability then I am putting the 13mm sway bar on. As of right now with how I have the sled set up I don’t feel it’s necessary but with the extra bite of the Deuce bars who knows? Here’s what I’m shooting for: no push, no inside ski lift, no darting, stable flat/fast cornering, plush ride (with a couple clicks) and serious bump capability (with a couple clicks). So far I have all of this (not to mention all the other benefits of these sleds) except for the pushing and I’m hoping that’s history with these Deuce bars!
For me (I realize we all use our sleds differently and therefore set them up differently) getting the front end down along with the other adjustments mentioned reduced the pushing and inside ski lift and all around made the sled feel much more stable (even in the moguls). Since I made these adjustments (that I learned about on this site)
my sled corners much better/flatter and feels a lot more like my SRX with one major difference, I can now also kill moguls! I took a couple fast runs (60-80mph) down a 3 mile stretch of very bumped up trail with 2-3 footers with drops, square edged moguls and lots of turns and felt way more confident and stable than I did earlier that day before I made the adjustments. The funny thing was because I felt sooo much more confident I was able to go faster making the ride even smoother. It almost doesn’t make sense on paper but it works!!!After putting the Deuce bars on if I do experience any inside ski lift or increased instability then I am putting the 13mm sway bar on. As of right now with how I have the sled set up I don’t feel it’s necessary but with the extra bite of the Deuce bars who knows? Here’s what I’m shooting for: no push, no inside ski lift, no darting, stable flat/fast cornering, plush ride (with a couple clicks) and serious bump capability (with a couple clicks). So far I have all of this (not to mention all the other benefits of these sleds) except for the pushing and I’m hoping that’s history with these Deuce bars!
apltx08
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Inside ski lift in corners is not a bad thing, it means your sled has ski BITE, you cant have good cornering without front end bite and that is where you have to fine tune your sled and balance front and rear suspension to your driving style...
Like for example, preload on front and rear shocks, limiter strap and if your really aggressive in corners a 12mm or 13mm sway bar is a must, specially if you have a lot of BITE up front you got to keep the BODY ROLL to a minimum, I found that was 1 of the best improvement on my sled for FLAT cornering(13mm)
Only do 1 adjustment at the time and experiment in different snow conditions, also the way you ride makes a big difference, some riders just sit their like a pogo stick and expect their sleds to hanndle like if it was on rails...you have to carve threw corners MOVE/LEAN over counter balance it makes riding that much more interesting!!! and lose some of those calories we accumelated on the way, damn PITT STOPS! :exc:
Like for example, preload on front and rear shocks, limiter strap and if your really aggressive in corners a 12mm or 13mm sway bar is a must, specially if you have a lot of BITE up front you got to keep the BODY ROLL to a minimum, I found that was 1 of the best improvement on my sled for FLAT cornering(13mm)
Only do 1 adjustment at the time and experiment in different snow conditions, also the way you ride makes a big difference, some riders just sit their like a pogo stick and expect their sleds to hanndle like if it was on rails...you have to carve threw corners MOVE/LEAN over counter balance it makes riding that much more interesting!!! and lose some of those calories we accumelated on the way, damn PITT STOPS! :exc:
Yamforlife
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I found that was 1 of the best improvement on my sled for FLAT cornering(13mm)
Where do you purchase a 13mm sway Bar? Whot makes them?
Where do you purchase a 13mm sway Bar? Whot makes them?
Yamforlife
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I found that was 1 of the best improvement on my sled for FLAT cornering(13mm)
Where do you purchase a 13mm sway Bar? Whot makes them?
Where do you purchase a 13mm sway Bar? Whot makes them?
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In that pic the floats are at 100 psi. I run them at 50 now.
ahicks
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Just one thing regarding swaybars and inside ski lift. That inside ski lift can start happening at different speeds/G-forces. Problems associated with it at 60-80mph may not interest those dealing wth it at 25mph (or less)
So, can we say "early" inside ski lift IS a bad thing, mostly because it can/will limit anything faster for those interested? IMHO, if the outside ski suspension can't compress enough to twist that sway bar (usually because it's set too stiff), there will be no help coming from the sway bar to hold that inside ski down - even if the sway bar were twice the stock diameter - it has to have the outside suspension collapsing enough to twist it to work. If that outside suspension is too stiff, it just isn't happening. And just as a side note, that sway bar twisting is what helps to keep the chassis level too.
So, can we say "early" inside ski lift IS a bad thing, mostly because it can/will limit anything faster for those interested? IMHO, if the outside ski suspension can't compress enough to twist that sway bar (usually because it's set too stiff), there will be no help coming from the sway bar to hold that inside ski down - even if the sway bar were twice the stock diameter - it has to have the outside suspension collapsing enough to twist it to work. If that outside suspension is too stiff, it just isn't happening. And just as a side note, that sway bar twisting is what helps to keep the chassis level too.
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Yamforlife said:
http://pioneerperformance.net/
Go to "Front Suspension" it's under "RS, RX HEAVY STABILIZER BAR"
trailmarker
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i have the pilots, and the 13 mil bar. i ride very fast. i was pushing very much with 6' inside & out. sled was flat, not a lot of body lean but it pushed. it was almost like you had to accelerate in the corner so the outside carbide would bite and carve you around the corner. i was going to sell the pilots...i then bought 6' shaper for the outside and 8' woodies for the middle, re adjusted spring, compression and rebound(GTYR shock) and that cured the push. now it rails at hi speed and the steering is still pretty easy....
