Question for all the New York State Guys?

[SumpBuster]

That is cheap!

Well, it's all volunteer work and materials, the state does nothing except take the first 5 bucks from every reg. All this is our tractors, donated materials and labor.

 

[Mooseman]

The OFSC is also largely run by volunteers but is a much larger organization with some paid employees. Some of the grooming is done by seasonal paid workers but trail work and repairs are by volunteers. Individual clubs themselves are run by volunteers. Materials and other expenses are paid by club funds from trail pass revenues and fundraisers.

 

[20/80]

Well, it's all volunteer work and materials, the state does nothing except take the first 5 bucks from every reg. All this is our tractors, donated materials and labor.
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Really nice work, as a club we are allowed to do repairs on engineered bridges on our trails if they are only small like a bridge rail, decking, to get away from political involvement from are lands and forest Dept a bridge like the one in your pictures would be called a water crossing and would not have to be designed by a engineer which costs us big bucks, one of our main trails is a railway bed that was built back in the 60's but never was used, all the bridge abutments were built and in place for over a 100miles and were rated for 80+ ton, our department of Lands and Forest didn't think 80+ ton abutments would hold a snowmobile or ATV an insisted that a engineer would have to design a co-abutment to hold the weight of snowmobiles and ATV's, lol, somebodies buddy was get their pockets filled. this crap happens here a lot.

 

[SumpBuster]

Really nice work, as a club we are allowed to do repairs on engineered bridges on our trails if they are only small like a bridge rail, decking, to get away from political involvement from are lands and forest Dept a bridge like the one in your pictures would be called a water crossing and would not have to be designed by a engineer which costs us big bucks, one of our main trails is a railway bed that was built back in the 60's but never was used, all the bridge abutments were built and in place for over a 100miles and were rated for 80+ ton, our department of Lands and Forest didn't think 80+ ton abutments would hold a snowmobile or ATV an insisted that a engineer would have to design a co-abutment to hold the weight of snowmobiles and ATV's, lol, somebodies buddy was get their pockets filled. this crap happens here a lot.

I hear you. We have relatively low traffic being very rural, but if the state got involved it would be a four lane highway, and take 15 years to complete.

 

[cnybrian]

its funny when I think of New York I alway's think of just the city

Those of us that do not live in NYC, we get that a lot. Most of us who do not live and work in and around NYC, just don't care about it (at least I don't). In the handful of times I have been to NYC, it has almost felt like a foreign country. The constant noise of vehicles, horns, people, etc. is very unpleasant.

 

[20/80]

Those of us that do not live in NYC, we get that a lot. Most of us who do not live and work in and around NYC, just don't care about it (at least I don't). In the handful of times I have been to NYC, it has almost felt like a foreign country. The constant noise of vehicles, horns, people, etc. is very unpleasant.

I'm not a big fan of cities either, hope my comment did not offend, you really have some beautiful country and trails in the state of New York, I enjoy the pictures of your trails and scenery posted on this thread.

 

[cnybrian]

I'm not a big fan of cities either, hope my comment did not offend, you really have some beautiful country and trails in the state of New York, I enjoy the pictures of your trails and scenery posted on this thread.

None taken! I'm used to it and I am happy to point out how beautiful the other 80%-85% of NY landmass is.

 

[cnybrian]

I hear you. We have relatively low traffic being very rural, but if the state got involved it would be a four lane highway, and take 15 years to complete.

3 new bridges in our area have been in the state budget for over 10 years now and only ONE has actually been installed. Unfortunately, the bridges are in the DOT budget and need to meet all DOT specs even though they are only for OHV use!

The one bridge that's been installed is over engineered and will handle traffic from a normal 2 lane public road.

Got to love NY beauracryacy!

 

[cnybrian]

Why do you have to pay a registration for NY if coming out of state?
I don't understand how they got this law passed.
For cars motorcycles boats..ect you have to be legal for the state you live in and can take them anywhere in the states.
Anyone have a answer for this?

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think any state snowmobile registrations has reciprocity with other states snowmobile registrations.

If I go visit Maine, Vermont or Michigan I would need to buy their trail pass even if I have a NY registration.

Canada has it worse. Their registration fees are significantly higher and they have to pay going from Province to Province.

 

[GR8BBQ]

I'm not a big fan of cities either, hope my comment did not offend, you really have some beautiful country and trails in the state of New York, I enjoy the pictures of your trails and scenery posted on this thread.

NYS has some really great trails, especially in the Tug Hill and Adirondack regions. Take a look at my NYS riding from this year in another post:
https://ty4stroke.com/threads/highl...old-forge-feb-march-2020.160149/#post-1523601

 

[20/80]

NYS has some really great trails, especially in the Tug Hill and Adirondack regions. Take a look at my NYS riding from this year in another post:
https://ty4stroke.com/threads/highl...old-forge-feb-march-2020.160149/#post-1523601

Very nice, I like all the angles, thank you

 

[Mooseman]

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think any state snowmobile registrations has reciprocity with other states snowmobile registrations.

If I go visit Maine, Vermont or Michigan I would need to buy their trail pass even if I have a NY registration.

Canada has it worse. Their registration fees are significantly higher and they have to pay going from Province to Province.

Nope. It's exactly like vehicle registration/license plates on cars. I can travel Province to Province and even to any US state with my Ontario plated vehicles (reciprocity with all provinces and states). Exception would be something like NY for sleds where you need registration that has the trail pass attached to it. You do need a trail pass in the Province you're riding the trails on.

Quebec is different in that there is liability insurance attached to the trail pass and there is also some money collected through registration, which is also higher, whether you ride trails or not, that goes to the Quebec clubs. Trail passes and registration are separate and only Quebec residents need to register their sleds there.

In Ontario, annual vehicle registration is quite cheap ($15/year) and is also not tied to trail passes. Trail passes are quite expensive but there is no insurance attached to it, and you also have to get private liability insurance.

So Quebec sleds can ride in Ontario after buying an Ontario trail pass and vice-versa. However, since Ontario sleds already have their own insurance, they can get a refund for the insurance portion of the Quebec trail pass.

 

[cnybrian]

Nope. It's exactly like vehicle registration/license plates on cars. I can travel Province to Province and even to any US state with my Ontario plated vehicles (reciprocity with all provinces and states). Exception would be something like NY for sleds where you need registration that has the trail pass attached to it. You do need a trail pass in the Province you're riding the trails on.

Quebec is different in that there is liability insurance attached to the trail pass and there is also some money collected through registration, which is also higher, whether you ride trails or not, that goes to the Quebec clubs. Trail passes and registration are separate and only Quebec residents need to register their sleds there.

In Ontario, annual vehicle registration is quite cheap ($15/year) and is also not tied to trail passes. Trail passes are quite expensive but there is no insurance attached to it, and you also have to get private liability insurance.

So Quebec sleds can ride in Ontario after buying an Ontario trail pass and vice-versa. However, since Ontario sleds already have their own insurance, they can get a refund for the insurance portion of the Quebec trail pass.

Good to know. 95% of NY does not have a trail pass, just sled registration and a required minimum level of insurance. The Old Forge area does have a trail pass, but I believe they also pay their groomer operators. The rest of NY is all volunteer.

So how much do you have to pay in Ontario before you ride 1 km?

 

[Mooseman]

So how much do you have to pay in Ontario before you ride 1 km?

https://ty4stroke.com/threads/question-for-all-the-new-york-state-guys.160239/page-2#post-1525776

 

[cnybrian]

https://ty4stroke.com/threads/question-for-all-the-new-york-state-guys.160239/page-2#post-1525776

And do you have to pay a registration fee on top of the CAD $197.50??