R1 power

[Darren Betker]

Just out of quriousity has anyone ever attempted to put the head and cams out of a R1 into the apex to gain back the 180hp? If so is there a writeup on here on how it was done?

 

[MDGFLHR]

My understanding is its a totally different motor 16 valve vs 20 valve but I could be wrong.

 

[Darren Betker]

yes but all the changes as fas as i know were in the top end. couldnt a guy just simply swap over everything above the pistons? Seems a simple enough way to gain 30 hp....no?

 

[Sasquatch]

Apex heads are basicly the same so why change heads? Sounds like the RX1 used the early R1 bike cams! Later 4 vale heads use different cams! Head is on backwards so probably will not fit! There may be aftermarket cams for the Apex! They cost big bucks.

http://ty4stroke.com/threads/apex-cams.65599/
http://ty4stroke.com/threads/yoshimura-cams.43608/
http://ty4stroke.com/threads/apex-engine-mods-big-bore.27403/
http://ty4stroke.com/threads/apex-basic-bolt-ons.29797/

If you have a large pocketbook try this!

http://www.powerbygns.com/Products.html


You want 180hp best way is add a Yamacharger and keep rpms down and hp up for probably less money!

http://www.gforcedivision.com/yamcharger

 

[steiner]

Hey big guy you forgot this one
http://ty4stroke.com/threads/new-hurricane-2011-current-180hp-apex-power-upgrade-kit.138402/

 

[Sasquatch]

Hey big guy you forgot this one
http://ty4stroke.com/threads/new-hurricane-2011-current-180hp-apex-power-upgrade-kit.138402/

No I did not, I just didn't want get into that argument again! Still waiting for a ride report on that one as I like it better then the Yamacharger buy a tad!

 

[steiner]

No I did not, I just didn't want get into that argument again! Still waiting for a ride report on that one as I like it better then the Yamacharger buy a tad!

 

[Goody_1000]

Thing about it is, clutches would never holdup to R1 RPMs, Apexs run 10-11k RPM, an R1 motor at peak HP is prob running around 13-13.5k. Not sure clutches are designed for those RPM...at the least the primary. I could be wrong tho.

 

[Rich Kay]

Apex heads are basicly the same so why change heads? Sounds like the RX1 used the early R1 bike cams! Later 4 vale heads use different cams! Head is on backwards so probably will not fit! There may be aftermarket cams for the Apex! They cost big bucks.

http://ty4stroke.com/threads/apex-cams.65599/
http://ty4stroke.com/threads/yoshimura-cams.43608/
http://ty4stroke.com/threads/apex-engine-mods-big-bore.27403/
http://ty4stroke.com/threads/apex-basic-bolt-ons.29797/

If you have a large pocketbook try this!

http://www.powerbygns.com/Products.html


You want 180hp best way is add a Yamacharger and keep rpms down and hp up for probably less money!

http://www.gforcedivision.com/yamcharger

Power by GNS....... Unreal! It is nice to see top shelf work! Cant imagine that kind of power even in the right chassis.....

 

[mbarryracing]

Thing about it is, clutches would never holdup to R1 RPMs, Apexs run 10-11k RPM, an R1 motor at peak HP is prob running around 13-13.5k. Not sure clutches are designed for those RPM...at the least the primary. I could be wrong tho.

Power by GNS used to have a primary gear reduction set to allow increased crankshaft RPM while maintaining the desired primary clutch efficiency RPM for that reason.

 

[Darren Betker]

So if i had the r1 top end and the propper gear reduction.......this still wouldnt work? Just think 180hp with keeping all reliability. NA to boot. Probubly cheaper then forced induction.

 

[mbarryracing]

Then figure out how to get the R1 ignition timing and fuel curves in the Apex ECU to accommodate the additional 2K RPM's , it takes more than just cams...

 

[Sasquatch]

So if i had the r1 top end and the propper gear reduction.......this still wouldnt work? Just think 180hp with keeping all reliability. NA to boot. Probubly cheaper then forced induction.

I think it would take much more then dropping on R1 heads and cams. If it was so easy and cheap to do there would be a ton of them built!