hibshman25
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2018 snoscoot
Making a few more changes to the kit for the official release this season.
Working on a new intercooler guard that will work with the stock nose cone as it appears many are reluctant to removing the factory nose cone. The intercooler still needs to be tilted front to allow for radiator to fit so the stock nose cone will just need to be trimmed.
I'm also planning to add a thermo switch and relay kit so the fan will come on and off on its own. I think I found an off the shelf kit that will work and am waiting for it to arrive so I can test it.
Working on a new intercooler guard that will work with the stock nose cone as it appears many are reluctant to removing the factory nose cone. The intercooler still needs to be tilted front to allow for radiator to fit so the stock nose cone will just need to be trimmed.
I'm also planning to add a thermo switch and relay kit so the fan will come on and off on its own. I think I found an off the shelf kit that will work and am waiting for it to arrive so I can test it.
Making a few more changes to the kit for the official release this season.
Working on a new intercooler guard that will work with the stock nose cone as it appears many are reluctant to removing the factory nose cone. The intercooler still needs to be tilted front to allow for radiator to fit so the stock nose cone will just need to be trimmed.
I'm also planning to add a thermo switch and relay kit so the fan will come on and off on its own. I think I found an off the shelf kit that will work and am waiting for it to arrive so I can test it.
I would really like radiator kit that leaves the sled looking stock -no major cutting or modifying to make the radiator kit fit.
hibshman25
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2018 snoscoot
I would really like radiator kit that leaves the sled looking stock -no major cutting or modifying to make the radiator kit fit.
There is no major modifying to put the kit in. The hole in the top of the center cowl shown in some of my photos is not needed. I was just experimenting.
Space is limited under that hood, so in order to get a sufficient radiator and fan in there the only thing needed is tilting the intercooler forward. I tested smaller radiators but, but would have felt like a crook selling it as it just did not provide an adequate improvement to justify selling.
JPS
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I have a Sidewinder XTX and would be nice to have more cooling. The stock system is not enough. It can keep up as long as your moving along and in good snow. if you stop the sled will get hot in a few seconds at idle. if you are on ice or plowed roads the temp creeps up quick, should have had a rad from the factory!!
cobrajet ltx dx
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All winder’s that run in low snow conditions, plowed roads, hard packed ice morning trails ect, will have this problem consistently with a tunnel cooler design. Others will have minimal issues running in good snow conditions up north.
Also a huge issue with skidoo 800/ 1200 packages.( seen it first hand).
If any vendor can design a rad kit that works, has excellent fit and finish and is tested in REAL WORLD CONDITIONS at a reasonable price and stand behind the product.....
ITS TRAVIS!!!!!!!!!
Be patient guys... It will come.
Also a huge issue with skidoo 800/ 1200 packages.( seen it first hand).
If any vendor can design a rad kit that works, has excellent fit and finish and is tested in REAL WORLD CONDITIONS at a reasonable price and stand behind the product.....
ITS TRAVIS!!!!!!!!!
Be patient guys... It will come.
hibshman25
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I've been busy designing a new intercooler guard that works with the stock nose cone so this has held up release a bit beings the guard is required to create room for the radiator.
Doing more testing on the thermo switch tomorrow and hope to wrap up the details by end of week and start taking orders.
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Doing more testing on the thermo switch tomorrow and hope to wrap up the details by end of week and start taking orders.
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hibshman25
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So I tested the thermo sensor kit some more today. The kit is adjustable as to when you want the fan to activate. Here's some feedback.
The kit has a pre set 10 degree differential, meaning the coolant temp has to drop 10 degrees below the set point before it will shut the fan off. The radiator and fan is not large enough to drop coolant temps, it just significantly slows down the rise in temps. With normal operating temps in good snow around 165-170, the ideal temp to activate the fan would be around 180 degrees. If set to 180, and fan kicks on once you hit good snow again it will drop temperature 10 degrees below the set point. If coolant temp never drops 10 below set point the fan will never shut down.
The disadvantage of the thermo switch set up is you can't activate the fan as early. The sooner the fan can come on the longer its going to delay the overheat and buy you more time. I did all my testing the last 2 seasons with a simple toggle on off switch. I run with coolant temp displayed and when I approached a town or section of trail that skirted a road I flipped it on when temp was still between 165-170.
The thermo kit will fit up nicely and comes with easy instructions. The kit does have a by pass wire so one can also wire it to a toggle switch to manually override the module and activate the fan at will.
If I switch to a different fitting I can have the fill plug on top and the temp sensor on the bottom as shown in the photo. Also shown is the module, which fits nicely above the throttle bodies. I zip tied it to the fuel rail.
The kit has a pre set 10 degree differential, meaning the coolant temp has to drop 10 degrees below the set point before it will shut the fan off. The radiator and fan is not large enough to drop coolant temps, it just significantly slows down the rise in temps. With normal operating temps in good snow around 165-170, the ideal temp to activate the fan would be around 180 degrees. If set to 180, and fan kicks on once you hit good snow again it will drop temperature 10 degrees below the set point. If coolant temp never drops 10 below set point the fan will never shut down.
The disadvantage of the thermo switch set up is you can't activate the fan as early. The sooner the fan can come on the longer its going to delay the overheat and buy you more time. I did all my testing the last 2 seasons with a simple toggle on off switch. I run with coolant temp displayed and when I approached a town or section of trail that skirted a road I flipped it on when temp was still between 165-170.
The thermo kit will fit up nicely and comes with easy instructions. The kit does have a by pass wire so one can also wire it to a toggle switch to manually override the module and activate the fan at will.
If I switch to a different fitting I can have the fill plug on top and the temp sensor on the bottom as shown in the photo. Also shown is the module, which fits nicely above the throttle bodies. I zip tied it to the fuel rail.
cobrajet ltx dx
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I like that you have a manual override feature with toggle, always thinking ahead my friend. Thermoswitches can be problematic as they get older.
EXCELLENT JOB AS ALWAYS!!!!!!!!
EXCELLENT JOB AS ALWAYS!!!!!!!!
hibshman25
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2018 snoscoot
Did a small run on these to fill orders I had for them. I have 2 that are not spoken for yet. If interested contact me.
gdk9382
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I was Looking at the pictures of your kit where did you move the relay and fuzes to.
Thanks
Thanks
snowbeast
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Travis,have you looked into a bigger intercooler,for better IAT numbers?
craigwsrx
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1979 SRX 440
1975 GPX 338
1973 GP 338
I installed BOP radiator kit, very nice install even if it is a little tight. Not much room to get it in there. Did make a difference in idle time, but will still gets warm in low snow conditions. Any time you can add more coolant it is a plus. I was nervous about fuse panel right out in the open so I modified front filler panel that you do remove and mounted fuse box behind it for added protection from snow dust and off trail riding. Here are some pictures of mod.
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craigwsrx
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2009 Nytro xtx 31,000 miles
2006 Attak 26,500 miles
2003 RX1 13,500 miles
2000 Mountain Max 14,000 miles
1998 SRX Mountain 17,000 miles
1995 V Max 600
1979 SRX 440
1975 GPX 338
1973 GP 338
Sorry about the other pictures not sure how they got in there.
hibshman25
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2018 snoscoot
Was able to do some fit ups on my 21 srx with the iQS shock package. The stock mounting location of the shock control module prevents my radiator from fitting on models with the iQS shock package. I have designed a bracket to relocate the box so will now be able to sell the rad kit for iqs equipped sleds from 19-22.
I have a 22 with EPS on order so I will be able to verify fit up in the fall. From pictures I have seen I don't think there will be any interference but will know for sure once I have the sled here.
On another not I'm working to bring the cost down on this kit. I have figured out a way to trim the stock nose cone and allow intercooler to be rolled front, so there will be no need for my intercooler guard to be part of the kit. Removing this alone will drop retail of the rad kit down from $600 to $470.
Also looking into having more of a plug and play harness vs supplying the wire and connectors to wire up the fan.
I have a 22 with EPS on order so I will be able to verify fit up in the fall. From pictures I have seen I don't think there will be any interference but will know for sure once I have the sled here.
On another not I'm working to bring the cost down on this kit. I have figured out a way to trim the stock nose cone and allow intercooler to be rolled front, so there will be no need for my intercooler guard to be part of the kit. Removing this alone will drop retail of the rad kit down from $600 to $470.
Also looking into having more of a plug and play harness vs supplying the wire and connectors to wire up the fan.
hibshman25
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2018 snoscoot
Wrapped up details today on the radiator kit changes. Got the wiring all sorted out and updated install instructions to depict nose cone trimming required since we are omitting the intercooler guard. If you have a model with iQS a relocate plate for the module will be included. Retail will be $470 instead of $600.
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