Simmons and bergstrom triples

[otis]

I just ordered bergstrom triple carbides for my simmons flexiskis. I previously had both 6" and 4" carbides and never could figure out which side each should go on to avoid darting. Others in the past have advocated that the longer carbide go on the outside of the ski on the RX-1. The simmons webside directly mentions the inside ski is the place to put the longer carbide. I have heard from other including someone on this site quoting Simmons stating the outside is best for the longer carbide on the RX-1.

Now with that said Scott Bergstrom directly said to put the longer 8" triple carbide on the inside and a single 4" carbide on the outside. Are you as confused as I am?

So my question is where would you all put the longer triple carbide inside or outside of the ski?

Otis

 

[LazyBastard]

In terms of increasing steering, you would go with the more agressive one on the inside. In terms of reducing darting, you would definitely want them to be balanced inside and outside. This is because when you're going in a straight line, the more agressive bar will dig in harder and try to pull the ski. Now you've got the two sides (two skis) at war with each other trying to pull you in opposite directions, thus causing it to dart.

 

[Swiss Sledder]

What LB said. I have also had this conversation with Scott Bergstrom and he recommends putting triple points on the inside and cheap in-expensive carbides on the outside. The inside carbide is what grips the snow in the corners as seen at this link www.flexi-ski.com/SeeIt.html

They should be the same length carbide.

 

[Sled Dog]

What about when you get inside ski lift?

 

[otis]

Does anyone have the reference from Simmons that states for RX-1 applications the longer carbide on the outside?

My next comment is about the use of shims. My carbides failed at the front 30% and finally broke thru wearing the front of the skis from my neglected inspection. I did shim them initially, but they fell off after about 500 miles and I never replaced them. Why does Yamaha place so much front ski bias instead of more level? This borders on dangerous.

Otis

 

[Swiss Sledder]

I'm not aware of any reference stating the longer carbide should go on the outside edge. It should be on the inside edge.

Had the same thing happen to one of my carbides on during a long bagger trip. I shimmed the skis and that did reduce the wear.

 

[Indy]

Longer carbides on the INSIDE.

 

[otis]

http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php? ... ght=#88170

Try putting the larger on the outside, I get it somewhat but not as bad as you make it sound. I have mine on the outside.

I have the same problem.
On icy trails it's not as bad but it's still there. I've switched the carbides around and it made little difference. A dealer installed the skis with instructions so I'm assuming that the alignment is correct. I haven't checked though. With only 150 miles on the skis, I did notice that the front 1/4 of the carbides are wearing down big time. With the sled on a flat surface, you can see how skis are not sitting flat. So, I'm going to shim the skis this weekend and see if that helps the problem. I'll let you know how the shimming works.

I had the same problem this week, no studs an very scary on the ice and in icey corners. I have the 6 and 4 with the 6 on the outside. Great in snow and packed conditions. I had to back off the ski preasure a bit though, took it down to 16 threads on the front shocks from 20, that helped a little. What is everyone else doing for ski preasure on the 05 with simmons. I am also going to stud, 96 down the center V patter per Might's suggestion.

8)

Otismojo, I also have Simmons skis and know what your talking about. The problem is that you've got 10 inches of carbide biting at all times. I have a 6-4 split on my runners as well with the exception of having my 6 on the outside. I've had it both ways and it seems to handle better with 6 on the outside. The near perfect handling on snow is worth the few times on ice.
You can lessen the issue by letting out the limiter strap a notch and doing what I mentioned with the carbide. Also, having a 4-4 split may help if you ride a lot on icy roads. Good luck.

I don't mean to flame anyone, but these are direct quotes from many of you about what to do with the carbides. Looks like back then most were saying longer on the outside.

Otis

 

[YamiSmurf]

The video and statement contradict one another. If properly set up both skis should stay planted on the snow...correct? Well the video shows a right ski turning left and the inside carbide on the concrete. That would make the outside carbide on the left ski in contact with the concrete. I understand that there's more pressure on the outside ski, but with both skis on the snow doesn't it make sense to have the same carbide for both sides of each ski?

YS

 

[sinjin]

When I had my RX1, I called Simmons and asked them which side to run a longer carbide and He said that on the RX1 they found that the longer one on the outside worked the best. On my Attak I am running 6 inch carbides all the way around and works great. Also shimmed the skis.