Single Ply Studs on 2 Ply Track?

[kanadacat]

Guys I am wondering what the opinion is about using Woodies Grand Master studs, these have the extra large head or backer on them on my new 2014 Viper RTX SE. I have read on the Woodie site that they are simply for single ply tracks but why, what is the down fall of using these studs on a double ply track. In my opinion they can only help prevent pul throughs.

Please I am looking for technical or an honest to very good reason why Woodies would post that Grand Master Studs can only be used on single ply tracks.

Thanks guys.

 

[TD Max]

You might be best off calling Woodys direct on this one

The extra cupping of the rim of the stud may not pull in deep enough. Just speculating.

 

[Studroes144]

This may or may not be recommended..but, I had 4500 miles on my apex running 192 studboy power point plus studs..which basically are studboys single ply track style stud with the bigger head, never had a single one break bend or pull out. Dad is running 192 studboy lake racer studs in his apex, same exact bolt pattern as my apex was. At 4700 miles we are going through them this fall and need to replace prolly a 1/4 of them from either bending or breaking..now the lake racers are more of an aggressive stud, they're sharper and thinner than the power point..but the fact that some are broke and some are bent is a good example of a stud that is made properly, if they all broke, the metal is too hard..if they all bend the metal is too soft. Anyways, I feel the biggest contributing factor to dad's apex having stud trouble compared to mine is that the studs almost had too much flex in them from the smaller heads. He is 60 years old, he is not a mogul masher. He rides 30-40 mph on trails and will occasionally line up for a drag race maybe twice a year so you can totally rule out wear and tear. The long and short of it is, you won't have any issues running a single ply stud in a 2 ply track, they're may be a slight bit more of rotating mass but it will be completely unnoticed. As for me on my viper, I'm running 160 1.5" power point studs on a 137" track. They're the smaller headed two ply studs. 2300 miles of beating the snot out of them with a lot of snow, grass and dirt drag racing and after inspecting the entire track this summer I had one stud that I replaced that had a slight little bend to it, couldn't notice without actually getting in there and looking at it. This is my honest opinion on it, if you're only planning to do 96 studs or so, go with the single ply..if you're thinking like 144 which studboy would recommend then the 2 ply studs will give you no issues as long as you use some common sense in area like pavement or gravel road crossings and steel deck bridges.

 

[Cc440]

I have the single ply studs in my LTX because of the mixup on preorder. Thought it was going to have a single ply track. I put them on mine anyway. I have 1500 miles on them and no issues. 96 stud boy power point plus studs.

 

[Blue Dave]

I have basically the same question but specifically pertaining to the Fast-Trac SP (single ply) vs. the Fast-Trac Top Gun II on my '15 RTX DX. The SP studs have a larger diameter head and the SP backers are larger diameter as well.

I am wondering the same thing, specifically what (if any) downside is there is running a stud designed for a single ply track on a non single ply track? The Fast-Trac SP studs and backers are a little bit more expensive but I am happy to spend the extra money if they will be less likely to pull out and there is no downside other than the additional cost.

Thanks in advance for your replies, especially from anyone who is running the Fast-Trac SP studs on a Viper.

 

[yamadoo]

Knapp had said -on old thread-he felt the bigger heads did not roll over the rear wheel as easily. No objective measurements just 'feel' if I remember right. He said he would go standard even on single ply in future.
Going to ride today on lake for first time today. Yahoo. Let it SNOW

 

[Studroes144]

I have basically the same question but specifically pertaining to the Fast-Trac SP (single ply) vs. the Fast-Trac Top Gun II on my '15 RTX DX. The SP studs have a larger diameter head and the SP backers are larger diameter as well.

I am wondering the same thing, specifically what (if any) downside is there is running a stud designed for a single ply track on a non single ply track? The Fast-Trac SP studs and backers are a little bit more expensive but I am happy to spend the extra money if they will be less likely to pull out and there is no downside other than the additional cost.

Thanks in advance for your replies, especially from anyone who is running the Fast-Trac SP studs on a Viper.

Style of stud isn't as big of an issue as quantity and placement in my opinion, for the average trail rider, 96 studs in the viper will be sufficient, for myself I do a lot of backyard drag racing right from a dig so the studs are getting abused a lot, I opted to go with quantity on mine vs the bigger heads. Truth is if you use your head and aren't screwing around on gravel roads or spinning at road crossings you'll be fine with the smaller standard 2 ply studs, if you have doubts the bigger headed studs should have minimal to zero affect on performance.