Sno-scoot or bravo or others

[couch]

5k for a Sno Sport - wow if they can get that much Yamaha would be foolish not to put them back into production with some updates!!!! Surprised that they haven't given that the technology exists to have a tube frame produced by a computer controlled bender which is likely the biggest issue with the scoot / sport.

The Phantom looks like a cool little sled - haven't seen one up close / in operation so not sure how well built they are but the there are quite a few 20+ year old scoots / sports around that are still running despite having the $hit pounded out of them!!!!!

 

[sleddog66]

If you are talking new....check out PREMIER snowmobiles. Kinda look like Yamahas

That's a pretty heated discussion over on Hardcore sledder.

http://www.hardcoresledder.com/forums/2 ... m-now.html

http://www.hardcoresledder.com/forums/3 ... biles.html


The short story is Premier was a company in the US that wanted to produce entry-level sleds, pricey, but they filled a niche. The story from Premier was that while building their dealer network, they were not granted EPA emissions, or something that would not allow them to sell their sleds in the US. They are supposedly working on this and should be able to sell them in 2013.

In the meantime, they were being sold in Canada under the Phantom name and even sponsored a racing class to help promote them. They are exactly the same and both companies claim to be building them local. The largest proponent on HCS was some dude and his boy that was sponsored by the sled company. Every one of his posts were just promo for the company disguised as promo for his kid and the racing program.

Long story short, people started calling him out on the sleds not being built in the US or Canada, and them being some Korean knock off with a USA built story or a Canada built story. There are tons of the exact same sleds now being produced by Korean builders and distributed by exporters the same way as knock-off scooters have hit every street corner in the us. So this is an easy story to believe as you can't tell the difference.

Two things could have happened. Premier may have spent too much time getting approved for sale in the US and the design was stolen by this offshore manufacturer. Or two, Premier was never USA made and imported them and slapped their logos and Made in the USA tags on them but never got their emissions approved before importing them. Either way, getting your hands on a Premier may be tougher than imagined. The folks at Phantom may have the same story, but Canada approved the emissions either of their Canada built sled, or the import with logos slapped on it.

It's too bad, it's a cool stepping stone sled. But for the price, you could buy a pair of used Indy Lites or a 500cc 2 smoke Yamaha. Anyone have any news on their current status?

Wow, I never knew this. Thanks for info. Their sight says that the sleds will be available in late 2012. I can tell you this, If I bought one, and found out it was not made in the USA as advertised, I would probably sue them. I would be major pissed. I really thought that they were made in the U.P., as I saw some info on these like 5 years ago, but they were not for sale at that time. Anyway, thanks again for that info.

 

[coyotekid]

yeah snosports are nice but there arent many around / left and people know that and are asking quite a bit. I just talked to a guy who had one for $4000. Ouch

Wow!!! I bought my boys an '89 snoscoot last year for $900. There were also several in Uncle Henry's last winter going for between 1 - 2 K. I would highly recommend the 'Scoot, or even better, a SnoSport. The thing is an absolute blast, and perfect for them to learn on.

 

[dilligaf]

IMO if his boy is coming off of a 120, I would skip the sno-scoot and sno-sport and move on to something trailable.

 

[couch]

BIG difference in that cat / doo / poo 120's compared to the 80 cc scoots or the 125cc sports Yamaha made! Most of the other 120 cc kids sleds only fit a child upto 4 or 5 years whereas an adult can ride a sport. I have three sports and they can run 45 km/h all day long on the trails and with the mod'd tracks & plastic skis they can handle relatively deep powder - the other 120's need a big sled to beat down a decent trail before they can move. have a look http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KIkbboZXn4

 

[dilligaf]

As long as the kids are having fun (and safe), thats what really counts.

 

[thor452]

I vote you get em an apex and be done lol.

 

[09nytro]

If you are talking new....check out PREMIER snowmobiles. Kinda look like Yamahas

That's a pretty heated discussion over on Hardcore sledder.

http://www.hardcoresledder.com/forums/2 ... m-now.html

http://www.hardcoresledder.com/forums/3 ... biles.html


The short story is Premier was a company in the US that wanted to produce entry-level sleds, pricey, but they filled a niche. The story from Premier was that while building their dealer network, they were not granted EPA emissions, or something that would not allow them to sell their sleds in the US. They are supposedly working on this and should be able to sell them in 2013.

In the meantime, they were being sold in Canada under the Phantom name and even sponsored a racing class to help promote them. They are exactly the same and both companies claim to be building them local. The largest proponent on HCS was some dude and his boy that was sponsored by the sled company. Every one of his posts were just promo for the company disguised as promo for his kid and the racing program.

Long story short, people started calling him out on the sleds not being built in the US or Canada, and them being some Korean knock off with a USA built story or a Canada built story. There are tons of the exact same sleds now being produced by Korean builders and distributed by exporters the same way as knock-off scooters have hit every street corner in the us. So this is an easy story to believe as you can't tell the difference.

Two things could have happened. Premier may have spent too much time getting approved for sale in the US and the design was stolen by this offshore manufacturer. Or two, Premier was never USA made and imported them and slapped their logos and Made in the USA tags on them but never got their emissions approved before importing them. Either way, getting your hands on a Premier may be tougher than imagined. The folks at Phantom may have the same story, but Canada approved the emissions either of their Canada built sled, or the import with logos slapped on it.

It's too bad, it's a cool stepping stone sled. But for the price, you could buy a pair of used Indy Lites or a 500cc 2 smoke Yamaha. Anyone have any news on their current status?

Wow, I never knew this. Thanks for info. Their sight says that the sleds will be available in late 2012. I can tell you this, If I bought one, and found out it was not made in the USA as advertised, I would probably sue them. I would be major pissed. I really thought that they were made in the U.P., as I saw some info on these like 5 years ago, but they were not for sale at that time. Anyway, thanks again for that info.

They are made in Howell Michigan .... He does a lot of testing in Munising in the U.P hope they start sell them soon .....
Anyways my vote is a indy lite or a ski doo legend fan 380 picking up two for my kids this week ( the ski doo's that is )

 

[biffdotorg]

http://www.hardcoresledder.com/forums/3 ... b-0-a.html

If my 11 year old had not gotten so attached to the Phazer, this is the route I would have gone. This 1990 Bravo is a bargain under $1000. Heck a person can sell any 120 for at least a $1000 in good condition. It's a no-brainer to bump up to a 250cc Bravo for that money.

Too bad Yamaha doesn't still make a tweener sled like this anymore!!

 

[rrxx-1]

Bravo's are great little trainer sleds. I bought mine from a member on here, my daughter had a blast riding it for years....

 

[stunter1]

Just lost my job last Thursday. No new-used sled for the boy. Dammit