Steering Effort

[SledFreak]

Meaning put more transfer into it.. Adjust the transfer rods... I am also refereing to the xtx when I speak about the rods. On the 121 Nytro, adjust the blocks.

 

[gormleyflyer2002]

he can't......the blocks are not adjustable....the last thing a stock 08 needs is more transfer.

I have the same sled with the same ski's and it ski's much lighter than with the stock ski's......

I'm guessing he's probably pulled the front straps a few holes trying to stop the mid corner wheelies........???

 

[ahicks]

Cranking up the front skid spring preload is not going to make the sled more tippy - unless possibly taken to the extreme. Used properly, all you are doing is redistributing the front/center/rear weight distribution....

If the front end is too heavy, add some preload to the center, which will effectively remove some weight from the front...

Or are do you mean tippy = excessive transfer?

I did assume that somebody complaining about a heavy front end doesn't have the limiters pulled up way too tight. I hadn't thought about that...

The sleds without transfer rods - don't they use limiter straps for the same purpose?

 

[gormleyflyer2002]

Hygear has a "paper" or write up on his site that describes his tuning for this sled with the same ski's.

 

[SledFreak]

he can't......the blocks are not adjustable....the last thing a stock 08 needs is more transfer.

I have the same sled with the same ski's and it ski's much lighter than with the stock ski's......

I'm guessing he's probably pulled the front straps a few holes trying to stop the mid corner wheelies........???

I thought the blocks were adjustable? Obviously not, my bad..

 

[SledFreak]

I just noticed he is running tripple points. That probbaly has alot to do with it and using Pilots to boot....

I would think if he is running Pilots with both runners and tripple points, that he has a way to aggreesive setup on the front, especially, if he is running both carbides.

You could adjust the preload, but to me you would need to take a big swing at it and there would be a bigger compremise then what he would want. Meaning it may start to high side more coming off the Apex of the corner.

 

[gormleyflyer2002]

shim the skis......tips up a bit, it helps.

getting the 08 balance right with the floats is semi voodoo or "black magic".....sell em to a mountain guy and find some regular GYTR's......LOL

 

[SledFreak]

Ya, I'm not sure why Yamaha can't balance the skis right out of the box.... It would really help with there box stock calibration issues.

 

[ahicks]

<<<You could adjust the preload, but to me you would need to take a big swing at it and there would be a bigger compremise then what he would would want. Meaning it may start to high side more coming off the Apex of the corner.>>>

I'm sorry, but that's nuts. To make it tippier to the point where you are going to increase the chance of a highside, you're talking about raising the entire sled's ride height - and that's not going to happen with what we're talking about here. Not unless it's taken to an extreme.

You don't need the kind of "swing at it" you're thinking of to affect turning effort.....

I do agree his ski setup isn't helping his cause much....

 

[SledFreak]

<<<You could adjust the preload, but to me you would need to take a big swing at it and there would be a bigger compremise then what he would would want. Meaning it may start to high side more coming off the Apex of the corner.>>>

I'm sorry, but that's nuts. To make it tippier to the point where you are going to increase the chance of a highside, you're talking about raising the entire sled's ride height - and that's not going to happen with what we're talking about here. Not unless it's taken to an extreme.

You don't need the kind of "swing at it" you're thinking of to affect turning effort.....

I do agree his ski setup isn't helping his cause much....

Oh no, I know it can happen... He has a very agressive ski/carbide combo. He will have to raise it quite a bit in order to lighten up the front end. A couple of turns probably won't just do it.. IMO, this is not the way to go.

Maybe your the one that is nuts... The front of the Nytro has alot more sterring effort then an Apex... Do you even own a Nytro??

Just look at high gears setup for the Nytro... Their setup is geared more to the point of lowering the sled to the ground to get it it to handle and turn. They lowered the front by 1/2-3/4" on the front just to help with the handling because of the tippyness and high siding that the Nytro... Shocks and valving is key here, but he has to deal with his stock calibration. Here is a quote from Hygear on the Nytro..


"The other common phone call has been customers adding preload to the center shock spring to help reduce the darting and ski pressure when decelerating. Once again we don’t recommend this! Your rear suspension is a system! The center shock does not act as a teeter totter fulcrum. Adding preload to the center shock spring will only reduce weight transfer and make the ride harsh in the small stutter bumps. We recommend setting up the center shocks with a DR spring kit and revalving."


Take it for what's it worth....

 

[nplathe]

I agree with SledFreak on this one. I talked to Hygear and they said they said they don't ever recommend adding preload to the center spring! They told me that my rear transfer rods on my XTX is where I'm going to get the biggest difference when adjusting ski pressure. Turn it all the way down and start from there they said. I think the stock setup is really limited when you want to start adjusting the suspension. IMO!

 

[Grimm]

shim the skis......tips up a bit, it helps.

Gormley is right, shimming the skis will help a great deal, try it and see.

 

[rz918]

Is it possible that my skis are shimmed to much? Scott from Berstrom recommended 3/8" as opposed to the 1/4" that most people were putting installing. My centre shock spring is pretty much completey loose. The ring nut is on just enough to keep the spring from rattling. The sled works real well, it just needs more effort to steer than normal.

 

[Grimm]

Have a look at how your runners are in relation to the ground. It helps to check this on a hard flat surface. The front carbides are probably worn already. To ease the steering, shim the skis so that the front of the carbides are off the ground more than the rear of the carbides.

 

[LeeKo]

Hygear

Hygear triple rate front springs will make your sled steer far easier and handle way better.
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