teds 2560 turbo

[Need for Speed 2]

Mike Changing topic for a sec what are you running this winter for a sled package?

 

[87gtNOS]

Mike Changing topic for a sec what are you running this winter for a sled package?

Don't you think I know reduction has no effect on HP?****************!

I don't know...you seem to always throw in your 25 championships!!

This still has me thrown for a loop...

About 10 HP PER LB OF BOOST on this engine assuming its working efficiently. If its inefficient then you can push the boost higher and not make any more power. Its just a 1000cc engine. It was not designed to push 500-600 HP like the Suzuki busa engine is capable of. You have to factor in the rpm of the engine to correct the HP reading on the dyno. I made 340+ HP on my 800 v-max pro-stocker once. It had the reduction gear in it also. It made a lot of power, but I knew it didn't make that much power. Even it it was 32 Lbs of boost, 140 engine + 320 of boost power is still 460 HP. Still alot of power, but not 520+, and never 600 HP. I don't know how you could pick up that much efficiency with what is available now. It would take a much bigger engine to make that type of power. that is just not going to happen with the design of the Yamaha engine. Bore spacing is just to close and block and head is just not going to take that kind of pressure. You can only harness so much power with the clutches and belts that we have now. I see no reason to push boost that high yet.

Mike, HP is made from torque. If your diesel pickup truck makes 250hp at the wheels, it will make the same HP no matter what gear you are in, but the torque will change at the wheels....no different then gear reductions on VMAX4's or RX1/APEX's.

My easiest example is this engine in this thread,, yet I used the wrong torque (319).

The dyno is measuring off the PTO, which doesn't match engine RPM. In order for the PTO to produce 319 ftlbs of torque at 9000 PTO rpms, it had to be fed 267ftlbs of torque from the CRANK at 10800rpm! Is this not true? Did the CRANK make different torque?
Then either way, HP is still the same (off a few hp in my calculation due to rounding off decimals).

My posts aren't to discredit anyone. I am just not sure how my calculations are wrong?

Cliff's dyno will read 150 hp on a stock APEX...would that be wrong?

87gtNOS do you really think my old v-max 800 made 340?

No, I did not think it made more than say 240...if you read my post you would see that I was trying to understand exactly why you think GEAR reduction changes HP output?????????? It doesn't. I used that example to maybe make what you tried to say more clear, as it isn't very clear. You are still yet to elaborate, but hey, 25 championships.....

What I have written in that post is clear. Now written in italics.

I made 340+ HP on my 800 v-max pro-stocker once. It had the reduction gear in it also.

This is very interesting!! Vmax4's were 1 to 1. So spin your pro stock motor at 10000 rpms (or to the moon) and gear reduce it for monster TORQUE and clutch efficiency!! Very clever!

340hp from an 800 or 1000cc 10 years ago?! Very impressive indeed! But I get maybe what you are implying (if indeed you made a GEAR REDUCTION on your VMAX4)...you used the rpm of the engine and plugged it into the calculation with the torque produced from the PTO, instead of using the RPM of the PTO shaft! This would get you your inflated HP numbers. <<however this is not the case with Hurricane's sled!!

Is everything you post the gospel? Or is it ok to question it? You have no problem with saying "no way Hurricane made 500+hp"!! But when questioned as to why, you never give a straight answer.

 

[lakercr]

Here is one for ya , How much Boost can my stock rods handle???


I have a Motor that runs 32PSi and makes 366HP and I have another motor that runs 32PSi and makes 526HP.


So what is the point of asking How much Boost my stock rods can handle when you have Differnt HP levels at the same BOOST??

Did someone ask you...?

On my own engines, I consider the stock rods to be sufficient until approaching double the base HP (assuming roughly the same final RPM). After that point, bigger rods go in.

 

[KnappAttack]

You threw out 25 championships. Not me, I only have 24 anyway. I know what is real and why it may not be. I don't care if you question me. Do you really want me to come right out and say a person is full of crap? Sometimes I don't elaborate any further because that person may be a sponsor of the site. I don't have the need or desire to get technical like alot of guys do. Some get on here and try to impress with a bunch of technical papers, I'm not one of those people. I still like to have an edge. I won't lie to you, I just won't tell you. You need to read between the lines with me, because I just won't come out and say some things.

 

[Ted Jannetty]

No what Im saing is if I can put a Bigger turbo on and make the same power as a small turbo as the sled leaves then why do I need a smaller Turbo???

Come and race me an I will show you.

You are new around here and come across as very negative.

There is a lot more to racing than how much power you make.

I beat guys with more power and a lot less weight like 200+ lbs lighter than me.

It is a balanced package that will beat a lot of power every time.

Here is my proof, the other 3 sleds are very respected racers with 2 1400cc 425 lb cats and an open mod 1000 Yamaha.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8e1oMiaLi44

 

[Ted Jannetty]

The Guys that are upgrading to a 2560 started out with a 2554, there is a big difference in performance without the loss in response that you would get going to a 2860.

These guys are not looking to run more than 15-18 psi trail riding so it is a perfect fit.

I run my 2560 at 22 psi for 660 ft. and you all know how that runs.

Here is a little rule that fits this motor size.

up to 12 psi 2554
up to 18 psi 2560
up to 25 psi 2860
up to 32 psi 2871
up to 38 psi 3071

This puts these turbos in they're sweet spot on this motor.

Not to say you can't run them higher or lower but they work the best in this range.

Hope this clears things up.

Ted.

This has got to be for sea level right Ted? No way my motor would run those pressure levels at 10k' with those turbos, not efficiently anyway.

Your right Freak, but we have to baseline somewhere, then subtract pressure change for elevation.

 

[ProstockBenji]

87gtnos , just curious what records , races you have set or won ?? I think if Mike wanted to build a dragracing Turbo sled most people would have a problem ! his knowledge goes far beyond a keyboard !

Turbo1320 , I'm sure you have alot of expierence with Turbo stuff and making big HP , but it takes more than big HP #'s too make a sled go a 1.080 60ft and e.t to match !! I happen to have first hand knowledge in that department and so does Mike knapp !!

I dont think its very nice or professional to bash Ted's Turbo upgrade when you have no first hand knowledge of what he is doing exactly for his customers . Ted is probably the straightest shooter selling turbo stuff and I dont think TY will allow any more of your insults ! Have a good day .

Benji

WE ARE NOT RACING DYNO"S , WE ARE RACING EACHOTHER !!!!

 

[Need for Speed 2]

I raced my wife with her f-8 last year I pulled her at least 5 lengths in quater mile runs. Now she knows whos boss.

 

[mulot30th]

Drag racing is nothing like hill climbing (for an example!!!)


My guess is a 2560 turbo will spool so much faster as to beat a 2860rs sled putting down the same amount of hp in a drag race.

But thing may change on a long hillclimb pull.


But guys are talking drag racing here.

 

[87gtNOS]

You threw out 25 championships. Not me, I only have 24 anyway. I know what is real and why it may not be. I don't care if you question me. Do you really want me to come right out and say a person is full of crap? Sometimes I don't elaborate any further because that person may be a sponsor of the site. I don't have the need or desire to get technical like alot of guys do. Some get on here and try to impress with a bunch of technical papers, I'm not one of those people. I still like to have an edge. I won't lie to you, I just won't tell you. You need to read between the lines with me, because I just won't come out and say some things.

You must throw out in at least 50% of your posts that you have many championships.
People rely on you to post the facts and ELABORATE. Regardless of whether or not the product is from a sponsor on here.

87gtnos , just curious what records , races you have set or won ?? I think if Mike wanted to build a dragracing Turbo sled most people would have a problem ! his knowledge goes far beyond a keyboard !

With all due respect Benji, I don't have any world championships...I did at one time have the fastest trail class sled at NBSSR. That doesn't matter.
Does this mean I can't question?? I am not throwing insults or being rude. Mike Knapp does know his stuff.

 

[KnappAttack]

87gtNOS, If I wanted to brag about it, I would put that in a tagline. I don't feel the need to however. As for your 50% comment, I would beg to differ. Maybe 2-3 times in 590 posts, when your dealing with moron who has no clue, I would bring that up and throw it out there. I let the wins and records speak for themselves, as do all the other real fast guys. Only the bench racers feel the need to impress others with garbage like turbo1320 did here. He wouldn't hold a candle to guys like Ted, Prostock Benji, or myself where the performance had to keep pace with the BS. Some are winners, and some just try to make like a bigshot. The internet is full of them.

 

[87gtNOS]

87gtNOS, If I wanted to brag about it, I would put that in a tagline. I don't feel the need to however. As for your 50% comment, I would beg to differ. Maybe 2-3 times in 590 posts, when your dealing with moron who has no clue, I would bring that up and throw it out there. I let the wins and records speak for themselves, as do all the other real fast guys. Only the bench racers feel the need to impress others with garbage like turbo1320 did here. He wouldn't hold a candle to guys like Ted, Prostock Benji, or myself where the performance had to keep pace with the BS. Some are winners, and some just try to make like a bigshot. The internet is full of them.

Thank you for setting the record straight.

 

[rxrider]

How much boost or HP you have really doesn't matter too much. It's all in the setup. What we saw here in Norway last year in the open fuel unlimited class, was that none of the 500+ HP sleds won any championships, none. The guy who won the most ran a heavily modified sled built on an Arctic Cat chassis, engine was one off, so was the exhaust and turbo system. This guy made 320 HP, but he had a 60' that washed away the competition, and a finishing ET of 5.75 at 660' going thru the lights at 120 mph or 195 kmt. Drag racing here in Norway are done on snow, and rules prohibits the use of studs or any other traction products.

turbo1320 - please fill in your location in your profile, site rules.

 

[mrviper700]

question on turbo size

I wouldnt mind hearing some opinions on which turbo would be best for the 1/4 mile asphalt race, if you used the 2560r and the boost comes in fast, would this be a hinder to good 60ft times and also the amount of heat it would absorb in 1320ft?
VS- going with a larger 2860 , would lag help somewhat with the 60ft as it would be easier to hook up and then let the boost come in later, we are talking about running 20-22lbs of boost in this application. Running full msd ign with timing retard.

what ya guys think?

 

[HURRICANE]

87gt NOS, Why do you think I believe that? What I said was reduction has an effect on what you input into the dyno program. These clowns don't impress me with all the talk about big power. They come on here and try to impress us all with these big dyno #s and such. Half the time thy don't know how to run the dyno. Show me one of these lake race braggarts that have ever won a ISR World Series race, or set any kind of world record. All they are doing is bench racing. No more than guy at the bar telling someone how fast their machine is. When it comes time to put out, their full of excuses. There I said it. These Lake racers are not fast, that is why they stick to the lake and do the internet racing thing. They can't get it done on the track with rules for the class. Their big BLOWHARDS! Ted has done a great job with this turbo and this dude has come on here trashing the turbo he uses. Right, 1320 is going to show him who's boss sitting behind a keyboard. He's a BLOWHARD bar racer.
87gt NOS, Why do you think I believe that? What I said was reduction has an effect on what you input into the dyno program. These clowns don't impress me with all the talk about big power. They come on here and try to impress us all with these big dyno #s and such. Half the time thy don't know how to run the dyno. Show me one of these lake race braggarts that have ever won a ISR World Series race, or set any kind of world record. All they are doing is bench racing. No more than guy at the bar telling someone how fast their machine is. When it comes time to put out, their full of excuses. There I said it. These Lake racers are not fast, that is why they stick to the lake and do the internet racing thing. They can't get it done on the track with rules for the class. Their big BLOWHARDS! Ted has done a great job with this turbo and this dude has come on here trashing the turbo he uses. Right, 1320 is going to show him who's boss sitting behind a keyboard. He's a BLOWHARD bar racer.

I'm trying to fiqure out what is wrong with Mike Knapp.He seems to have taken offence to the dyno run that we made public. We posted a video and also the dyno sheet as proof to best of my ability.( not empty claims) as you have stated. What's wrong with you in regards to me. As far as I know, you don't know me and I have never bashed you in anyway. Can you say the same towards me? I have made no claims for anything exept Dyno horsepower. No bench racing. Lets not carry on like this.Theres no sense