Tuners....we need more engine braking

[fatchance]

I wanted to start this thread to see how many people would be interested in removing the EBRS or reducing it's impact on engine braking if it is possible for the Tuners to do so.
This is truly the only thing performance wise I think this sled needs. Coming from the Apex I have had to change my riding style and honestly I really don't like relying on the brake in every turn.
If you have any interest in this please post so we can show the Tuners if this is something they would want to pursue.

 

[HighSpeedLowDrag]

It's one thing which kept me from buying a 2011 or newer apex. The lack of throttle response when closing the throttle on the newer ones really bothered me.

 

[KnappAttack]

Yes, I want way more engine braking too.

 

[ricardo]

I agree. My 850 has more engine[or clutch/driveline] braking than my Sidewinder.

 

[NOS-PRO]

As a tuner....I was always told to eliminate the engine braking....

@jonlafon1 has a ton of engine braking.... He has a setup that will throw you over the bars if you let off too quick.

 

[ROCKERDAN]

I brought this up before, EBRS needs to go.

I would love it if tuners can eliminate this. After talking with Dave, its incredible how many goodies will be coming down the road from GAP for us. This will make owning this sled very fun, as there will be cool new tweaks coming each season.

Dan

 

[jonlafon1]

Man I guess I must be crazy. Mine engine breaks. Someone needs to drive this beast. I'm just south of Wakefield Michigan if no one believes me! I should have left the Orange thunder secondary spring in! Be here until Sunday? Anyone?

 

[ROCKERDAN]

Man I guess I must be crazy. Mine engine breaks. Someone needs to drive this beast. I'm just south of Wakefield Michigan if no one believes me! I should have left the Orange thunder secondary spring in! Be here until Sunday? Anyone?

Some things are subjective I suppose. But im thinking you do have more then mine does.

Mine will engine brake fine below 6k, or basically slower speeds....

But when I wheel into a corner at a good clip, it just keep wheeling along bigtime....and my brake pads will testify to that.

Im just now at the point of tune and clutching, so I will be playing with all this as winter moves ahead now.

Dan

 

[jonlafon1]

Some things are subjective I suppose. But im thinking you do have more then mine does.

Mine will engine brake fine below 6k, or basically slower speeds....

But when I wheel into a corner at a good clip, it just keep wheeling along bigtime....and my brake pads will testify to that.

Im just now at the point of tune and clutching, so I will be playing with all this as winter moves ahead now.

Dan

I totally understand what your saying. To some guys backshift means different things and some are not as aggressive as others when riding. I do not ride super aggressive but like to get in it at times.

 

[Epicsw]

I personally preferred the Apex engine braking. Could really haul through the twisty woods and NEVER touch the brake. Can't do that on a stock Winder.

 

[fatchance]

I personally preferred the Apex engine braking. Could really haul through the twisty woods and NEVER touch the brake. Can't do that on a stock Winder.

Exactly. Dump the throttle and the ski pressure goes through the roof to get that great positive ski pressure for the next turn. If we can get the engine braking of the apex, and the transfer dialed in this sled will just be ridiculous.

 

[Spaceman]

Maybe it's the Team clutches but mine feels like a Jake brake on a semi. We had to learn to hit the brake light just to warn the guy behind. I like it.

 

[fatchance]

I figured the other thread went off the rails so I'd post here.....

Not sure why it makes you slow if you're using engine braking to corner. I use engine braking as much as possible but obviously you can't use it all the time. You have to use the hand brake as well.
Let me know how braking and being on the throttle at the same time helps on a sled. It's one of the other, so why would it matter which technique you're using? Riding fast is about transfer, ski pressure and body positioning.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't think the way you brake makes a difference. It's just personnel preference.

 

[Epicsw]

I figured the other thread went off the rails so I'd post here.....

Not sure why it makes you slow if you're using engine braking to corner. I use engine braking as much as possible but obviously you can't use it all the time. You have to use the hand brake as well.
Let me know how braking and being on the throttle at the same time helps on a sled. It's one of the other, so why would it matter which technique you're using? Riding fast is about transfer, ski pressure and body positioning.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't think the way you brake makes a difference. It's just personnel preference.

Use of the engine brake seems to minimize track stoppage and sliding where entering a corner and grabbing a handful of brake sometimes results in halting track rotation resulting in a slide especially if there are bumpies.

 

[fatchance]

I was just going to add that point Epicsw.
Isn't that the fastest way to race. Eliminate track spin. So why would this not apply to coming out of a corner?
Unfortunately there is zero engine braking on the sidewinder so it's all hand brake and it's just a different style.