Ultimax vs G FORCE BELT

[twyztid]

Absolutely worse case scenario, use redline for daily and Ultimax for lake use.
But to be honest, I'd give that redline a nice hard pull...lol.

I don't ride lakes

 

[74Nitro]

Moving on to another belt can be quite difficult. I mean the one you're using is flawless. Why change?
Price is right, at $85 bones. Bob's experience says a lot. He's trail riding with the G Force. Goes to the drags with it (thou I'm pretty sure his clutches are completely dialed in.) And a little more mph sure doesn't hurt.
Yes the G Boost is another option, at $225pr....I'm not ready to make that commitment. Maybe if I was in the 300hp+ club.

Definitely something to look at when you're looking for every advantage you can get.
Even a consistent 1 mph helps.

I was afraid to move on from the 8DN, but it ended up being the right move. It was a good price and durability was decent.
After having run the XS belt for a couple years I really feel it is superior to the 8DN. I tmay cost more, but it has a warranty where the 8DN does not.
Now I may have to try the Gates.

 

[74Nitro]

Using Amazon:
Ultimax $169.00us
Redline $64.00us*
* Correction $87. eBay. Amazon switched me to another part #
Best prices I've found.
I honestly don't understand how they can do it. But trust the riders/members and their claims.

I pay much less and would love to pass on the low prices, but would lose my dealership if I sold for less than those prices.

 

[sideshowBob]

I was afraid to move on from the 8DN, but it ended up being the right move. It was a good price and durability was decent.
After having run the XS belt for a couple years I really feel it is superior to the 8DN. I tmay cost more, but it has a warranty where the 8DN does not.
Now I may have to try the Gates.

I used an 8DN on my SW from the day it was new and also was hesitant to go to a different belt. The 8DN worked flawlessly on my sled and I think when setup right the 8DN may be slightly quicker but on snow its very hard to measure.
At the start of last year I completely recalibrated my clutching setup as I am only trail riding the sled now and I only act as a spectator at the local snow drags [if and when they have them]. Since I was changing everything anyway I decided I might as well set up for a standard belt length rather then the longer 8DN but have no faith in the 8JP after watching my riding buddies destroy multiple 8JPs over the years when I had zero issues.
I decided on the Gates Redline at the start of last season and had a zero issues and very little belt dust, like an 8DN.
My sled is no where near as quick as it was with my previous setup but it now has longer legs easily pulling 130mph on speedo that is over 120mph gps.

 

[Doc Harley]

I was afraid to move on from the 8DN, but it ended up being the right move. It was a good price and durability was decent.
After having run the XS belt for a couple years I really feel it is superior to the 8DN. I tmay cost more, but it has a warranty where the 8DN does not.
Now I may have to try the Gates.

I to was afraid. This shows my purchase from dec. Last year. I knew I bought one. Just too much talk of the XS825 and couldn't get enough positive feedback on the redline. Lol. We'll get it right!

 

[74Nitro]

I used an 8DN on my SW from the day it was new and also was hesitant to go to a different belt. The 8DN worked flawlessly on my sled and I think when setup right the 8DN may be slightly quicker but on snow its very hard to measure.
At the start of last year I completely recalibrated my clutching setup as I am only trail riding the sled now and I only act as a spectator at the local snow drags [if and when they have them]. Since I was changing everything anyway I decided I might as well set up for a standard belt length rather then the longer 8DN but have no faith in the 8JP after watching my riding buddies destroy multiple 8JPs over the years when I had zero issues.
I decided on the Gates Redline at the start of last season and had a zero issues and very little belt dust, like an 8DN.
My sled is no where near as quick as it was with my previous setup but it now has longer legs easily pulling 130mph on speedo that is over 120mph gps.

I've never ran the stock 8JP belt.

 

[Doc Harley]

I've never ran the stock 8JP belt.

OMG! The 8jp has been so good to me. I can't say enough. But I've had enough of the mess it makes.
I think the 8jp gets a bad wrap, still reeling from the early days when you guys were cranking things up, misalignment issues, clutch/spring testing, etc. Poor little fella.
Which honestly puts the redline in a good position. FB guys respond well to it's use.

 

[Upstater57]

I've researched the Gates Redline and will be trying one this year. The ultimax comes apart at 200 degrees where the Redline has a 300 degree limit. I'm told the Redline pulls rpm down more than the XS indicating a stickier compound. We'll see and I'll let you know the differences I find between the 2.

I have the Razorback IR on my SW too and last season the Redline belt seemed to run around the same temps as my 8DN setup with high temps not being an issue.
As a sidenote the highest belt temps I see on my sled are when running in deep powder snow for long distances along the shoreline of lakes at high power levels and another higher temp situation is right after stopping after a long distance high speed railbed run. I do a bit of a cool down slow speed after both of those conditions to let things cool off a bit even though the temps are not in the danger zone. My sled is fully vented with moflow vents as well.

What kind of belt temps are you seeing with the Razorback IR? I am looking at the Razorback system. Do you like the unit and the data you see? It has to be better than jumping off the sled and pulling out the Harbor Freight IR gun to take a reading.

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[sideshowBob]

What kind of belt temps are you seeing with the Razorback IR? I am looking at the Razorback system. Do you like the unit and the data you see? It has to be better than jumping off the sled and pulling out the Harbor Freight IR gun to take a reading.

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I typically see 170 to 175 f on the IR gage. I really paid attention to the readout when I first installed the Razorback as I was still dialing in my clutches but once I established that my belt temps were typically not an issue I now only glance at it occasionally unless I am working the sled hard in deep snow or doing an ultra long high speed run.
The Razorback IR is high quality and reliable.

 

[Doc Harley]

I typically see 170 to 175 f on the IR gage. I really paid attention to the readout when I first installed the Razorback as I was still dialing in my clutches but once I established that my belt temps were typically not an issue I now only glance at it occasionally unless I am working the sled hard in deep snow or doing an ultra long high speed run.
The Razorback IR is high quality and reliable.

Yeah, but it kinda expensive. I mean, once you get things in order, it's like you say "seldom used"
It's kinda like a data logger. Once your sleds running optimal and your done, it has little use. Just saying.

 

[Upstater57]

I typically see 170 to 175 f on the IR gage. I really paid attention to the readout when I first installed the Razorback as I was still dialing in my clutches but once I established that my belt temps were typically not an issue I now only glance at it occasionally unless I am working the sled hard in deep snow or doing an ultra long high speed run.
The Razorback IR is high quality and reliable.

Thank you for the info. Using my gun, I was able to run my temps from almost 200 degrees down to the 150's on my 1100 through clutch tuning, but never sure if I was getting accurate readings hence my interest in the razorback. Have not needed to measure this on my stock 998.

 

[sideshowBob]

My belt temperatures have become part of my instrument scan when riding and if it quit working I would definitely repair or replace it...stems from my Aviation back ground I guess....more info is better.
Even my riding buddies ask me what my belt temps are after working our sleds hard for their own reference.

 

[DooZ]

Ok I'm lazy...lol Anyone have the G-Force part # for the alternative to the XS827?

 

[Turboflash]

I typically see 170 to 175 f on the IR gage. I really paid attention to the readout when I first installed the Razorback as I was still dialing in my clutches but once I established that my belt temps were typically not an issue I now only glance at it occasionally unless I am working the sled hard in deep snow or doing an ultra long high speed run.
The Razorback IR is high quality and reliable.

And, it has an LED light that is programmable to change color from green to orange to red at programmed temps. That way, depending on where you mount it, hopefully you'll notice color out of corner of your eye, even at high speed. I really like it as a tuning tool and on-board monitor.

 

[justinator]

Ok I'm lazy...lol Anyone have the G-Force part # for the alternative to the XS827?

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