Viper LTX or XF 8000

[Banks93]

It may not be true 100%. You cannot say that Actic Cat's process will not be improved by having Yamaha build sleds in their plant.

Both companies will benefit from each other and that is why it should be good for us sledders.

Example clutch. The new designed clutch may fix the heat issue.

AC is not going to not improve there product if they see something that works. They are in the business of making money and keeping us happy and buying new sleds makes them more money. I would gaurantee they like making money.

 

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Thank God Yamaha was there to design the 15 major changes AC made to their 14 race sled......The inference that the previous poster made that Yamaha somehow was responsible for the new AC clutch is assinine. The old clutch was junk from the day it came out. Poor design, compounded by the fact that it was outsourced Chinese crap. Everyone knew that. They designed a different one. End of story. Why would Yamaha spend any money on redesigning something that is never going in any of "their" sleds. They didn't want to spend any money on R+D anyway, which is why Arctic Cat is now building Yamaha branded sleds. There is a sigificant difference between a statement that is "true", and one that is "not 100% true"..........

 

[snoprof6]

Nobody knows if this is the year cat "fixes" the clutching on their sleds. However, how many vipers blew belts during demo rides?
My choice is viper, plus it's says yamaha on it in a few spots so i don't have to buy new clothing

 

[Banks93]

Thank God Yamaha was there to design the 15 major changes AC made to their 14 race sled......The inference that the previous poster made that Yamaha somehow was responsible for the new AC clutch is assinine. The old clutch was junk from the day it came out. Poor design, compounded by the fact that it was outsourced Chinese crap. Everyone knew that. They designed a different one. End of story. Why would Yamaha spend any money on redesigning something that is never going in any of "their" sleds. They didn't want to spend any money on R+D anyway, which is why Arctic Cat is now building Yamaha branded sleds. There is a sigificant difference between a statement that is "true", and one that is "not 100% true"..........

Was that directed at me?

I didn't say Yamaha built anything for AC. I said that because of the relationship between the two companies that Yamaha's quality and reliability will rub off and make AC a better company. I think AC innovativeness and new things will innovate Yamaha.

Both sides will benefit from this deal or they wouldn't do the deal period. That is just common business practice in this day and age.

I just wish it would freeze and snow already.

 

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Thank God Yamaha was there to design the 15 major changes AC made to their 14 race sled......The inference that the previous poster made that Yamaha somehow was responsible for the new AC clutch is assinine. The old clutch was junk from the day it came out. Poor design, compounded by the fact that it was outsourced Chinese crap. Everyone knew that. They designed a different one. End of story. Why would Yamaha spend any money on redesigning something that is never going in any of "their" sleds. They didn't want to spend any money on R+D anyway, which is why Arctic Cat is now building Yamaha branded sleds. There is a sigificant difference between a statement that is "true", and one that is "not 100% true"..........

Was that directed at me?

I didn't say Yamaha built anything for AC. I said that because of the relationship between the two companies that Yamaha's quality and reliability will rub off and make AC a better company. I think AC innovativeness and new things will innovate Yamaha.

Both sides will benefit from this deal or they wouldn't do the deal period. That is just common business practice in this day and age.

I just wish it would freeze and snow already.

Not directed at you at all. I agree that if the 2 companies play their cards right everyone is going to be happy. Clumsy posting on my part sorry!

 

[Blu2U2]

If I am not mistaken didn't AC say that they had a fix for the clutches/belts a year ago with the 2013 sleds??? I sure didn't notice any improvements!
When I did the Viper demo in March the Yamaha reps said that the same belts were on the Vipers with over 2,000 miles!

 

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If I am not mistaken didn't AC say that they had a fix for the clutches/belts a year ago with the 2013 sleds??? I sure didn't notice any improvements!
When I did the Viper demo in March the Yamaha reps said that the same belts were on the Vipers with over 2,000 miles!

The "reps" always tell you what you want to hear.....that's their job. I would be very surprised if there was a problem belt wise with either sled. Way less HP, three years to get it right. Oddly enough, didn't hear of any belt failure on the green ones either. Was not directing any crap your way at all. The sled will be fine!

 

[Blu2U2]

If I am not mistaken didn't AC say that they had a fix for the clutches/belts a year ago with the 2013 sleds??? I sure didn't notice any improvements!
When I did the Viper demo in March the Yamaha reps said that the same belts were on the Vipers with over 2,000 miles!

The "reps" always tell you what you want to hear.....that's their job. I would be very surprised if there was a problem belt wise with either sled. Way less HP, three years to get it right. Oddly enough, didn't hear of any belt failure on the green ones either. Was not directing any crap your way at all. The sled will be fine!

If we are talking all model lines then I think you need to check your facts better...! I recall more than one 2014 AC 1100 turbo had some issues with overheating (fire) and belt failure. Granted we are talking apples and oranges since I was NOT thinking just Viper vs. 7000 thus the reason I stated 2013 MY sleds. However, you might be correct if just the AC 7000 sleds are being used for the comparison with the Viper.

 

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I was referring to the 7000. I am well aware of the problems with the turbos in 12 and 13. Havent heard anything about the 14 though.

 

[stingray719]

Thank God Yamaha was there to design the 15 major changes AC made to their 14 race sled......The inference that the previous poster made that Yamaha somehow was responsible for the new AC clutch is assinine. The old clutch was junk from the day it came out. Poor design, compounded by the fact that it was outsourced Chinese crap. Everyone knew that. They designed a different one. End of story. Why would Yamaha spend any money on redesigning something that is never going in any of "their" sleds. They didn't want to spend any money on R+D anyway, which is why Arctic Cat is now building Yamaha branded sleds. There is a sigificant difference between a statement that is "true", and one that is "not 100% true"..........

LOL! I suppose you believe that with Cat having access to the best engineering team in motorsports they wouldn't use them if the could? I have a 2014 and the clutch is NOT a different one it is redesigned on the sheave angle and fins. But please don't let facts interfere with your rant.

 

[stingray719]

Banks 93 I think the key word in your post is "IF"! You know Randy G. had issues last year with his 2013 AC 800. As well as my issues with my 2013 1100 turbo eating belts.
I don't think AC is changing any of their sleds besides the 7000 because of the relationship with Yamaha.

26 different changes to the 2014 Cat m8 from last year including a completely new secondary clutch. Not hard to see Yamaha's hand in most of those improvements. Back on point I may yet buy a Viper, after the season gets going and I can try one out. And, I always have the option of converting my 2014 M8 into a mountain Viper (spare Nytro kept for engine).

I guess I was wrong, I didn't realize Yamaha was assisting AC with all their 2014 sleds???

Read what I wrote agin...slowly if you have trouble with comprehension. Nowhere did I say Yamaha was assisting with ALL Cat sleds. They ARE however assisting in the chassis the Yamaha engine is going in, I don't feel like posting the links but they are easily found.

I needed to edit this and say if you don't know how Yamaha has done partnerships in the past you probably won't understand this one either and no sense in me trying to explain it. Thanks!

 

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Thank God Yamaha was there to design the 15 major changes AC made to their 14 race sled......The inference that the previous poster made that Yamaha somehow was responsible for the new AC clutch is assinine. The old clutch was junk from the day it came out. Poor design, compounded by the fact that it was outsourced Chinese crap. Everyone knew that. They designed a different one. End of story. Why would Yamaha spend any money on redesigning something that is never going in any of "their" sleds. They didn't want to spend any money on R+D anyway, which is why Arctic Cat is now building Yamaha branded sleds. There is a sigificant difference between a statement that is "true", and one that is "not 100% true"..........

LOL! I suppose you believe that with Cat having access to the best engineering team in motorsports they wouldn't use them if the could? I have a 2014 and the clutch is NOT a different one it is redesigned on the sheave angle and fins. But please don't let facts interfere with your rant.

So if Arctic Cat redesigned the clutch and changed the sheave angle, and the fins, it is NOT a different clutch? What is your definition of different? Yes, I agree, Arctic Cat does have access to the best snowmobile engineering team in motorsports.....

 

[Blu2U2]

Banks 93 I think the key word in your post is "IF"! You know Randy G. had issues last year with his 2013 AC 800. As well as my issues with my 2013 1100 turbo eating belts.
I don't think AC is changing any of their sleds besides the 7000 because of the relationship with Yamaha.

26 different changes to the 2014 Cat m8 from last year including a completely new secondary clutch. Not hard to see Yamaha's hand in most of those improvements. Back on point I may yet buy a Viper, after the season gets going and I can try one out. And, I always have the option of converting my 2014 M8 into a mountain Viper (spare Nytro kept for engine).

I guess I was wrong, I didn't realize Yamaha was assisting AC with all their 2014 sleds???

Read what I wrote agin...slowly if you have trouble with comprehension. Nowhere did I say Yamaha was assisting with ALL Cat sleds. They ARE however assisting in the chassis the Yamaha engine is going in, I don't feel like posting the links but they are easily found.

I needed to edit this and say if you don't know how Yamaha has done partnerships in the past you probably won't understand this one either and no sense in me trying to explain it. Thanks!

Now I am really confused stingray 719... You mentioned the Cat M8 and now it sounds like you are going back to just the AC 7000 sleds which is it???

 

[Blu2U2]

Banks 93 I think the key word in your post is "IF"! You know Randy G. had issues last year with his 2013 AC 800. As well as my issues with my 2013 1100 turbo eating belts.
I don't think AC is changing any of their sleds besides the 7000 because of the relationship with Yamaha.

26 different changes to the 2014 Cat m8 from last year including a completely new secondary clutch. Not hard to see Yamaha's hand in most of those improvements. Back on point I may yet buy a Viper, after the season gets going and I can try one out. And, I always have the option of converting my 2014 M8 into a mountain Viper (spare Nytro kept for engine).

I guess I was wrong, I didn't realize Yamaha was assisting AC with all their 2014 sleds???

I should NOT have used the word all above! A more precise statement would be, I didn't realize Yamaha was assisting AC with any other sleds besides the AC 7000.

 

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Banks 93 I think the key word in your post is "IF"! You know Randy G. had issues last year with his 2013 AC 800. As well as my issues with my 2013 1100 turbo eating belts.
I don't think AC is changing any of their sleds besides the 7000 because of the relationship with Yamaha.

26 different changes to the 2014 Cat m8 from last year including a completely new secondary clutch. Not hard to see Yamaha's hand in most of those improvements. Back on point I may yet buy a Viper, after the season gets going and I can try one out. And, I always have the option of converting my 2014 M8 into a mountain Viper (spare Nytro kept for engine).

I guess I was wrong, I didn't realize Yamaha was assisting AC with all their 2014 sleds???

I should NOT have used the word all above! A more precise statement would be, I didn't realize Yamaha was assisting AC with any other sleds besides the AC 7000.

I really wouldn't get worked up about some peoples statements. Yesterday it was a "completely new secondary" on the 2014 AC products, today it isn't. Jesus.....Everybody and their brother knows that next year the genesis goes into the proclimb chassis. That's where all the new Yamaha sled models will come from. Sweet that somebody is keeping his spare Nytro for the engine swap!