ApexerER
Expert
I ordered 192 Stainless Top Dogs from John Master Ent. on ebay. Used to be saber traction. He has a 1.38 which is longer than the woody 1.325. I get about 3/8 penetraction. The hook pretty well on ice for a trail stud and awsome on hardpack. The price is much cheaper than Woodys and they are guarenteed not to bend or break or he replaces them for free.
Can't beat it.
Can't beat it.