NFLD-Nytro
TY 4 Stroke Junkie
The Nytro is a nice rough trail sled, but it's no ditch banger, not by a long shot. It's not a great high speed cruiser either. I'm in my third winter with mine, and I hate to say it, but the Nytro doesn't really excell at anything. It is, however, a very good all-rounder.
NFLD-Nytro said:
Seriously? This is probably the best ditch banger I've ever owned. I wasn't at all sold on mine after the first couple of rides, but I have always been more than impressed with the suspension, especially how you can hold the throttle to the bar in the rough stuff and it just soaks it up - no fade at all. It eats ditches - all day long - no complaints - it is most at home ridden aggressively on really rough trails IMO. I rode a friend's 600 XP X package today and he rode mine for awhile - I couldn't wait to get mine back - and trust me I never thought I'd be saying that. The Doo felt SO light in the corners - which is great in a way - and the motor is nice but doesn't hit early in the RPM band like the Nytro and it is nowhere near the sled that the Nytro is in the bumps. His impression of the Nytro: that thing feels like a tank but it corners great (thanks Curve XS) and the motor is awesome. I told him to spend about 1,000 miles on it before he passes judgement. It took me about 400 miles just to get used to it.
Comatoast
Expert
I thought the nytro was good in the ditches as well. Where I think it wouldn't be great is in powder. It is tippy and feels like it sits quite high, but ir is a ton of fun to ride. If I had he money I would buy a rtx and a doo renegade 800. Then would have the best of both worlds. And to this day I still can't figure out what one I like more. After riding both numerous times
NFLD-Nytro
TY 4 Stroke Junkie
Tanks generally don't make good ditch bangers. Having spent alot of time riding serious moguls on previous sleds, it's very clear that the Nytro is not as capable in major moguls. You can ride the big bumps, but an unexpected square-edger could by the end of you. Just not the kins of sled you can go balls out on through the big stuff.
It is, however, pretty good in the powder. Tippiness is a good thing in the powder, and it's actually not nearly tippy enough, but it's got lots of grunt, and the ergos are pretty good, so it gets around pretty good off trail. Can't wait to put my new deep lug track on it next week and see how I like it then.
It realy is tough to say who the Nytro is intended for. There are lots of days when I think about trading it in, but I love the motor so much, and can have such fun cruising on it, launching off rises. I think it's the perfect sled for anyone who likes to drive agressively, but doesn't want to push their limits to the edge. Ridden at 7/10ths, it's about the most fun you can have with your cloths on.
It is, however, pretty good in the powder. Tippiness is a good thing in the powder, and it's actually not nearly tippy enough, but it's got lots of grunt, and the ergos are pretty good, so it gets around pretty good off trail. Can't wait to put my new deep lug track on it next week and see how I like it then.
It realy is tough to say who the Nytro is intended for. There are lots of days when I think about trading it in, but I love the motor so much, and can have such fun cruising on it, launching off rises. I think it's the perfect sled for anyone who likes to drive agressively, but doesn't want to push their limits to the edge. Ridden at 7/10ths, it's about the most fun you can have with your cloths on.
Funny how we can all have such different impressions of the strengths and weaknesses of this sled. I'd have to agree with Camo - I think this sled shows its weight in powder and the track tends to really dig in the deep stuff. Having had a couple Renegades in the past, this sled does not stand up to a 'Gade at all in powder. Just no chance. All I can say is get some back to back seat time on a Doo and pile in to a few steep faced culverts on them at similar speeds and smash through a mile or so of honest 3 footers. I have, and have ridden these same trails on my own Doos since 2003. The Nytro is a better bump sled, hands down. Tight trails, sliding the sled around corners and flicking the #*$&@ end out, the Doo owns it. Ergos and especially sitting to standing transition - the Nytro is the better sled and set up. But it does take some getting used to. JMO. Going out to ride all day before the warm up ruins our trails here in New York. 
And as for the tank feel - it's true that there is SUCH a difference between the way the new XPs "feel" underneath you when compared to the Nytro. Now that I've got some real miles on the Nytro, though, it doesn't behave like a tank. Every time I switch off with someone with a Doo now I have to get used to them getting sideways so easily in the corners - so just jumping back and forth between the two for 15 minutes or so isn't going to be enough to relaly get a "feel" for what the sleds can do. I certainly still feel right at home on a Doo - mostly because I've owned one for the past 7 years. This is the first time ever sitting on a Yammie for most of the guys I ride with - they just wouldn't consider owning one.
And as for the tank feel - it's true that there is SUCH a difference between the way the new XPs "feel" underneath you when compared to the Nytro. Now that I've got some real miles on the Nytro, though, it doesn't behave like a tank. Every time I switch off with someone with a Doo now I have to get used to them getting sideways so easily in the corners - so just jumping back and forth between the two for 15 minutes or so isn't going to be enough to relaly get a "feel" for what the sleds can do. I certainly still feel right at home on a Doo - mostly because I've owned one for the past 7 years. This is the first time ever sitting on a Yammie for most of the guys I ride with - they just wouldn't consider owning one.
NFLD-Nytro
TY 4 Stroke Junkie
WNY PAT said:Funny how we can all have such different impressions of the strengths and weaknesses of this sled. I'd have to agree with Camo - I think this sled shows its weight in powder and the track tends to really dig in the deep stuff. Having had a couple Renegades in the past, this sled does not stand up to a 'Gade at all in powder. Just no chance. All I can say is get some back to back seat time on a Doo and pile in to a few steep faced culverts on them at similar speeds and smash through a mile or so of honest 3 footers. I have, and have ridden these same trails on my own Doos since 2003. The Nytro is a better bump sled, hands down. Tight trails, sliding the sled around corners and flicking the #*$&@ end out, the Doo owns it. Ergos and especially sitting to standing transition - the Nytro is the better sled and set up. But it does take some getting used to. JMO. Going out to ride all day before the warm up ruins our trails here in New York.
And as for the tank feel - it's true that there is SUCH a difference between the way the new XPs "feel" underneath you when compared to the Nytro. Now that I've got some real miles on the Nytro, though, it doesn't behave like a tank. Every time I switch off with someone with a Doo now I have to get used to them getting sideways so easily in the corners - so just jumping back and forth between the two for 15 minutes or so isn't going to be enough to relaly get a "feel" for what the sleds can do. I certainly still feel right at home on a Doo - mostly because I've owned one for the past 7 years. This is the first time ever sitting on a Yammie for most of the guys I ride with - they just wouldn't consider owning one.
LOL, you're absolutely right, it's really funny how different people can have such different impressions of the same sled. And it's the big square edge bumps that you're talking about that I find completely scaring on the Nytro. Compared to the 07 Dragon I had before this, the Nytro is way too much of a handful in the big bumps. It does really like rough trails, but it's simply not in the same league as a premium bump sled. Not even close.
I've got alot of miles on my Nytro, and it's a big tank, there's no way around that. It's a very capable tank though, and I love riding it agressively on trails, love getting it sideways going into corners, and getting back on the gas coming out of the corner. It's a great sled to have fun with on choppy groomed trails, no doubt about that.
You're also right about how it trenches in the deep stuff. Get on the gas too hard and it'll dig itself down and keep digging. Sometimes you can get stuck just by coming to a stop in deep snow, and it is a real handful trying to pick your way through tight spots when the snow is deep. But when you've got room to play it's a blast, and I love being on untracked forest roads with a couple of feet of powder to play in. It may not be the best choice for powder play, but it manages it quite well. Like I said in a previous post, the Nytro doesn't really excel in any one area, but it's very capable doing pretty much everything.
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So first off I would say good for you in realizing that this machine is not for everyone.
I too am an aggresive trail rider. I will tell you what I love about my machine as well as what I put up with in order to have the love part.
When ridden aggressivly - there are very few machines that can keep up with the Nytro on the trails. As great as the clubs do, it is impossible to keep the trails around here perfect with no bumps, hills, or jumps. I would say that we ride 20% on perfect trails 40% on well ridden trails and 40% on trails that have been ridden all weekend and have lots of whoops and bumps.
The power that won't stop coming, the suspension that continues to eat every bump and jump as well as the ability to ride this machine hard over the less fortunate trails. The fun factor of this sled is huge if you like to do the above. If you are a sit down and cruise then please do not buy this machine.
Now that 20% of the time I spoke about before, even with my pilot skis, pulled down front end and many suspension adjustments, I am working the machine. If you are an aggressive rider then this should not be a problem.
I have purchased an after market fuel tank from Trail Tank that puts me in the 130-140 mile range. The 100 mile range was fine on the local trails but a trip up north found me nervous about fuel stops.
I carry a small hammer as well to help me get rid of the ice build up at the rear of the tunnel on overnight excursions.
All in all - I have done mods to get it to a perfect sled for me but that is for me.
good luck
I too am an aggresive trail rider. I will tell you what I love about my machine as well as what I put up with in order to have the love part.
When ridden aggressivly - there are very few machines that can keep up with the Nytro on the trails. As great as the clubs do, it is impossible to keep the trails around here perfect with no bumps, hills, or jumps. I would say that we ride 20% on perfect trails 40% on well ridden trails and 40% on trails that have been ridden all weekend and have lots of whoops and bumps.
The power that won't stop coming, the suspension that continues to eat every bump and jump as well as the ability to ride this machine hard over the less fortunate trails. The fun factor of this sled is huge if you like to do the above. If you are a sit down and cruise then please do not buy this machine.
Now that 20% of the time I spoke about before, even with my pilot skis, pulled down front end and many suspension adjustments, I am working the machine. If you are an aggressive rider then this should not be a problem.
I have purchased an after market fuel tank from Trail Tank that puts me in the 130-140 mile range. The 100 mile range was fine on the local trails but a trip up north found me nervous about fuel stops.
I carry a small hammer as well to help me get rid of the ice build up at the rear of the tunnel on overnight excursions.
All in all - I have done mods to get it to a perfect sled for me but that is for me.
good luck
Just got home - did 130 miles or so before the trails started getting sloppy. NFLD - ya - different riders different experiences I guess. I have to run a long stretch of power lines to get to a main trail from my house. It never sees a groomer all winter - never. Right not it is loaded with big bumps, the kind where you see a sled coming towards you and it keeps disappearing. I always run this trail hard - just to get it over with - and a lot of the bumps I can skip over the top with enough throttle timed right. There are 3 culverts in this trail now that are a nightmare - steep face on both sides and not enough of a lip on either side to carry over it. I stick the entire sled in to the other side on all of these - blip the throttle to bring the front end up and let the skid do its thing. The way I am set up it'll bottom doing this - but the seat doesn't come back and kick me either. Bounces right up and out with a nice wheelie to boot if I time the throttle right. I think you just need to hit them faster and harder! LOL! :cheers:
drunkenrich
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can someone tell me more about the ice build up problem? i don't own a xtx yet but am thinking of getting one. what does the ice cause that is bad?
NFLD-Nytro
TY 4 Stroke Junkie
I don't know if it causes anything really bad, except for an amazing amount of weight. It really is shocking how much snow and ice it can build up. It can also make some really scary noises when an ice chunk breaks lose underneath.drunkenrich said:
I've got lots of pics, but this site won't automatically resize them, so I'll have to post them some other time after I've gotten around to resizing them.
Ruckus
TY 4 Stroke Master
On the Phazer we eliminated this problem by closing off the holes in the tunnel so the snow from the track couldn't get at the exhaust. My sled used to pick up 50 lbs easily just from ice. Now its clean as a whistle all the time. All that steam from the evaporation ices the crap out of everything too. Too bad you have to deal with it.
drunkenrich
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NFLD-Nytro said:
please post some when u can
NFLD-Nytro
TY 4 Stroke Junkie
i have a phazer that my wife drives but iM looking to replace it next season,she loves her phazer and the stand up ergo,but by season's end it will have 13000 miles,i've read everything there is to read about nytro's,she thinks a nytro would fit her well,is it too much sled for her,does water flow down the side of tunnel like the phazer,only thing i hate about these sleds,needing to bring a rubber hammer on every overnight trip
RTX Meirda
TY 4 Stroke Master
My 2 cents
I came off riding an Apex for 5 years and love it. (Actually kept it)
For something new, I bought a Nytro but totally expected to hate it from what I read.
I am not a ditch banger, I hate looking for burried treasure. I am a high speed groomed trail rider.
I charged the skis before I rode it. (didn't like the stockers on the Apex either)
My first ride I found to be a bit of a challenge. The rear suspension seemed to have way too much action for my liking.
From there I spent an hour in the garage and adjustied the suspension settings similar to those of the other members here on this site.
To my surprise, I really enjoy riding this machine. I have over 1000 miles on it now, compared to my Apex which has 200 this season.
In our area, I find the Muskokas the most challenging and never rate a sled until I do a trip there.
Well, I have to say that I can ride faster with the Nytro than I could with the Apex in the same trails.
I am really enjoying riding this sled as a trail cruiser.
It is not a warm sled, but that doesnt bother me. I dress for the temperatures and love the feeling of having the wind try and rip off my helmet.
It doesn't feel like it pulls as hard as an Apex, but when racing, the Nytro actually steps out. A few more MPH would be nice when racing your buddies on a lake, but other than that, very happy.
I have never been a stand up rider, but I find myself doing it more often since the ergos are right for my height (5' 11")
I would say that if you are an old school rider and like the feel of SRX, Viper,RX1, then don't bother with a Nytro.
I came off riding an Apex for 5 years and love it. (Actually kept it)
For something new, I bought a Nytro but totally expected to hate it from what I read.
I am not a ditch banger, I hate looking for burried treasure. I am a high speed groomed trail rider.
I charged the skis before I rode it. (didn't like the stockers on the Apex either)
My first ride I found to be a bit of a challenge. The rear suspension seemed to have way too much action for my liking.
From there I spent an hour in the garage and adjustied the suspension settings similar to those of the other members here on this site.
To my surprise, I really enjoy riding this machine. I have over 1000 miles on it now, compared to my Apex which has 200 this season.
In our area, I find the Muskokas the most challenging and never rate a sled until I do a trip there.
Well, I have to say that I can ride faster with the Nytro than I could with the Apex in the same trails.
I am really enjoying riding this sled as a trail cruiser.
It is not a warm sled, but that doesnt bother me. I dress for the temperatures and love the feeling of having the wind try and rip off my helmet.
It doesn't feel like it pulls as hard as an Apex, but when racing, the Nytro actually steps out. A few more MPH would be nice when racing your buddies on a lake, but other than that, very happy.
I have never been a stand up rider, but I find myself doing it more often since the ergos are right for my height (5' 11")
I would say that if you are an old school rider and like the feel of SRX, Viper,RX1, then don't bother with a Nytro.
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