When will they wake up? 2014 hopefully

[stevewithOCD]

V-Maximum, I will agree that off trail, I would not ride a 4-stroke. Where I ride(northern Maine), I would never go back to 2-stroke. I would buy another brands' 4-stroke, but I don't like the lawn mower sounds. Both my Ski-doo & Polaris friends admit , where we ride, my sled rules. AGAIN: OFF TRAIL I WOULD NOT RIDE A 4-STROKE. But you must keep in mind that i have 14,000 miles on 4-strokes without ONE engine problem. When putting on 3,000 to 5,000 miles a year on groomed trails.....4-stroke 4 me....

 

[Dano]

I think when it comes to weight issues, there is a fine line between weight, reliability and cost. Are 2strokes dead? Well I also own a 2013 mxzX 600 sitting in garage beside my nytro and my mind really goes to work when combining the good and bad of both sleds into one sled. Doo are leaders in sales by a good margin so if I were to design a new sled, I would definitely see what all the fuss is about in Doo camp. I'm not a fan of 2strokes, but we do need to change our way of thinking as today's 2-strokes are not the same as the yesteryears we have implanted in our heads. So having that said, looking at a doo 1200 and their etec counterparts, I have to ask what a Yamaha version of the same combo would work out to be. I think the Nytro engine is one of the best in the business and better then the 1200 Doo. So maybe stick it in a shared chassis that could also be equipped with a direct injection 2-stroke? Maybe have a wet sump system? Who knows, but we all know Yamaha has the patents and can do it. Ok maybe I'm just dreaming now.....back to reality, I have it all right now, but need 2 sleds for it.


Dan

 

[09nytro]

Ever watch sled necks or the new 509 movies ....Chris Brown runs a nytro in the back country looks like it work well

 

[low slung]

8 years ago Jimmy Blaze became the first freerider to backflip a fourstroke sled.Then he backflip a phazer only minutes after seeing it for the first time.Then the alaska wildman Dane Fergerson got gold at winter X best trick on a nytro.Now Chris Brown takes a turbo Nytro as freerides it in the mountains.This is just the begin........................

 

[Sasquatch]

I guess this is a Yamaha mountin bash. Some still think its all about the steep and deep. I went to Yamaha because of the four stroke engines. I stay with them because of the Apex engine. I could change brands and will if they drop the 4 hole but I'm sticking with four strokes. I can not see myself riding a two stroke engine ever again till they can go 20,000 miles and still run like new without even being taken apart.

I seem to notice all the bashing coming from people who ride what? Funny they don't list their sled! Guess they are just here to stir the pot!

 

[V-maximum]

FYI I own a Rx venture and a apex mountain both ate up for sale

 

[couch]

FYI I own a Rx venture and a apex mountain both ate up for sale

sounds like you should have done a bit more research before you bought two!

To each their own ... with new machines running $13,000 + I'll take a little more weight & reliability over the others any time. Yes Yamaha did make awesome 2 strokes as well and were as or more reliable than any other brand but they are still 2 strokes and subject to the same issues (FYI i also have a Yam Exciter jet boat with twin 1200 triples + a pair of Saltwater Series 150 HP outboards that were under salt water for 18 days and still run, plus a few Sno Sports). The 2 strokes are finicky and smell. I have had to rebuild the motors in the jet boat a couple of times - no such thing as a "cheap" top end rebuild - and every time we leave to go to the pond I start the motors before I bother pulling out of the yard!

Agreed that Yam needs to shed some weight - lighter suspensions (like Timbersled), rework the exhaust, open boards (like Poo or Skinz), battery & electrical harness could be refined, rework / simplify steering linkages, plus a few other items. For the most part the rest is the rider - some are better than others and for most people the extra 50 / 70 lbs likely won't make much of a difference. Have watched way too many people on the latest and greatest new machines (all brands) who stay right behind the lead sled!

As for the 4 stroke Yamaha's, out of the dozen in the shed not one has been towed! Have I been stuck .... sure but if I never got stuck then I wouldn't be trying hard enough. BTW all sleds with a track full of heavy wet snow are heavy and unless you are a power lifter you likely can't lift any of them ... I've had a Tundra stuck and had to winch it out and those were about the lightest weight sleds ever produced.

TY rocks as it has the most helpful users of all the forums ... your post in another thread didn't get a lot of traction so seems that you would try to start something in a new thread. Go ahead and sell your sleds - ride something that makes you feel better - and then move along to another site.

 

[Malibu]

I really dont understand this.was out of sledding for 8 years.my last was a WM 500 XTC.tried all i could.when i drowe the Apex xtx it all came back to me.I drive ONLY offpist.tried ALL brands and versions I could,and still like mine best.drive the same places as the others and im 65 kg and 1.8 m.the lightweight 2 smokes feel nervous and bumpy.set it up the way you like and bring a rope to tow them with.its true the 2s have gotten better,but they still smoke and make anoying sounds.
These last three winters every trip i have been on, there has been a brakedown on a 2s.the only breakdown on a Y4S was mine when the ignition froze.When Im out I want to ride.Not worry about to break down.

 

[AKrider]

8 years ago Jimmy Blaze became the first freerider to backflip a fourstroke sled.Then he backflip a phazer only minutes after seeing it for the first time.Then the alaska wildman Dane Fergerson got gold at winter X best trick on a nytro.Now Chris Brown takes a turbo Nytro as freerides it in the mountains.This is just the begin........................

Something to keep in mind is neither of the two sleds mentioned and shown in the photos is stock. Jimmy Blaze used boost on the Phazer he was flipping. Same with Chris Brown, his sled has the usual 5-6 thousand dollars of upgrades in it to make it capable of hanging with the mountain sleds from the other brands. My old Yamaha dealer used to work on Jimmy's sleds for YMC and had one of his old supercharged Vectors in his backyard for years. It was thrashed and bent from doing backflips. The Yamahas didn't hold up to the crusher landings very well. Dane's first backflip attempt wasn't clean and bent something on the sled. The second backflip wasn't smooth but he won by default because somebody else wrecked or choked or something. I remember watching the comp on TV and not trying to take anything away from Dane's win, but he didn't have the same level of style or complication to his trick as his competitors. If anyone gets a chance, watch Turnagain Hardcore 5 and you'll see Dane killing it on a Rev. That video had jumps and flips in it that were the best of any of the videos of that year IMO.

I recall when Dane landed the first time, his sled was swarmed by blue jackets in the pit and they were yanking and beating on something to get it set back into place in time for the next run. I remember thinking, "Did they all forget their tools?". The whole effort all just seemed so last minute. In any case there is another theme here, both Jimmy and Dane went back to 2-strokes. Chris Brown came into riding a 4-stroke after he was terribly injured filming with Slednecks over the '10-'11 season. This is going to sound awful but I'm going to write it anyway, the reason I think Chris is riding a Yamaha is because he got badly hurt and appears to no longer be able to ride at the same level as he did before. No one wants to ride a Yamaha for freeriding so he found a niche. I think its great that he's still out doing what he loves. The injuries he suffered from smashing into a tree would have had me serious thinking of getting out of sled video genre. His segment in the latest Slednecks had tons of powder riding which is far more fun to do than it is to watch.

 

[V-maximum]

Hey couch
Just because some people have different opinions doesn't mean they don't love the Yamaha brand. I am selling both sleds which have awesome engines and the reason is weight Yamaha are way to heavy it's a fact and there biggest down fall. So what if some of us like two strokes I like four strokes too. But where I ride you need alot of power to weight and the Yamaha snowmobile is just too heavy. You should be supporting a lighter Yamaha thread and not be so one demensional. I'm sure if they could make a four stroke with 160+ hp and under 450lbs u and I would both love it. So don't bash me and say move to a different site because you don't want to hear the truth and that is Yamaha sleds are poor off trail machines compared to two strokes which are lighter and easier to manover. I started this thread not to bash Yamaha but to see how many people here would like the idea of a direct injected Yamaha two stroke. Not a Polaris or bomb. I'd love to see them make and I'm sure if they did they be the best engines just like they were before. Sorry if I ruffled you feathers but IMO four stroked machines are not near as good off trail in 6 ft of powder.

 

[low slung]

8 years ago Jimmy Blaze became the first freerider to backflip a fourstroke sled.Then he backflip a phazer only minutes after seeing it for the first time.Then the alaska wildman Dane Fergerson got gold at winter X best trick on a nytro.Now Chris Brown takes a turbo Nytro as freerides it in the mountains.This is just the begin........................

Something to keep in mind is neither of the two sleds mentioned and shown in the photos is stock. Jimmy Blaze used boost on the Phazer he was flipping. Same with Chris Brown, his sled has the usual 5-6 thousand dollars of upgrades in it to make it capable of hanging with the mountain sleds from the other brands. My old Yamaha dealer used to work on Jimmy's sleds for YMC and had one of his old supercharged Vectors in his backyard for years. It was thrashed and bent from doing backflips. The Yamahas didn't hold up to the crusher landings very well. Dane's first backflip attempt wasn't clean and bent something on the sled. The second backflip wasn't smooth but he won by default because somebody else wrecked or choked or something. I remember watching the comp on TV and not trying to take anything away from Dane's win, but he didn't have the same level of style or complication to his trick as his competitors. If anyone gets a chance, watch Turnagain Hardcore 5 and you'll see Dane killing it on a Rev. That video had jumps and flips in it that were the best of any of the videos of that year IMO.

I recall when Dane landed the first time, his sled was swarmed by blue jackets in the pit and they were yanking and beating on something to get it set back into place in time for the next run. I remember thinking, "Did they all forget their tools?". The whole effort all just seemed so last minute. In any case there is another theme here, both Jimmy and Dane went back to 2-strokes. Chris Brown came into riding a 4-stroke after he was terribly injured filming with Slednecks over the '10-'11 season. This is going to sound awful but I'm going to write it anyway, the reason I think Chris is riding a Yamaha is because he got badly hurt and appears to no longer be able to ride at the same level as he did before. No one wants to ride a Yamaha for freeriding so he found a niche. I think its great that he's still out doing what he loves. The injuries he suffered from smashing into a tree would have had me serious thinking of getting out of sled video genre. His segment in the latest Slednecks had tons of powder riding which is far more fun to do than it is to watch.

The Chris Brown deal has far deeper meaning than just the current Nytro.Big things are brewing.............................................

 

[7 skulls]

Jimmy Blaze backflipped a stock phazer at yamafest in Revy a few years back.

 

[Malibu]

8 years ago Jimmy Blaze became the first freerider to backflip a fourstroke sled.Then he backflip a phazer only minutes after seeing it for the first time.Then the alaska wildman Dane Fergerson got gold at winter X best trick on a nytro.Now Chris Brown takes a turbo Nytro as freerides it in the mountains.This is just the begin........................

Something to keep in mind is neither of the two sleds mentioned and shown in the photos is stock. Jimmy Blaze used boost on the Phazer he was flipping. Same with Chris Brown, his sled has the usual 5-6 thousand dollars of upgrades in it to make it capable of hanging with the mountain sleds from the other brands. My old Yamaha dealer used to work on Jimmy's sleds for YMC and had one of his old supercharged Vectors in his backyard for years. It was thrashed and bent from doing backflips. The Yamahas didn't hold up to the crusher landings very well. Dane's first backflip attempt wasn't clean and bent something on the sled. The second backflip wasn't smooth but he won by default because somebody else wrecked or choked or something. I remember watching the comp on TV and not trying to take anything away from Dane's win, but he didn't have the same level of style or complication to his trick as his competitors. If anyone gets a chance, watch Turnagain Hardcore 5 and you'll see Dane killing it on a Rev. That video had jumps and flips in it that were the best of any of the videos of that year IMO.

I recall when Dane landed the first time, his sled was swarmed by blue jackets in the pit and they were yanking and beating on something to get it set back into place in time for the next run. I remember thinking, "Did they all forget their tools?". The whole effort all just seemed so last minute. In any case there is another theme here, both Jimmy and Dane went back to 2-strokes. Chris Brown came into riding a 4-stroke after he was terribly injured filming with Slednecks over the '10-'11 season. This is going to sound awful but I'm going to write it anyway, the reason I think Chris is riding a Yamaha is because he got badly hurt and appears to no longer be able to ride at the same level as he did before. No one wants to ride a Yamaha for freeriding so he found a niche. I think its great that he's still out doing what he loves. The injuries he suffered from smashing into a tree would have had me serious thinking of getting out of sled video genre. His segment in the latest Slednecks had tons of powder riding which is far more fun to do than it is to watch.

The Chris Brown deal has far deeper meaning than just the current Nytro.Big things are brewing.............................................

Just like most people think burandt,rasmussen and others ride stock.......

 

[kyzer]

Other than riding the mountains, snocross track, and maybe the ice ovals, why in the hell do you need a 400 pound 165 hp sled for!!!!! I like speed as much as some others..What the hell is the hurry..Snowmobile trails can only handle so much speed, especially with others coming the other way...No I am not 85 years old, I am not even 40 yet, but have had to many close calls in the trails from guys that think they can handle corners at 85mph because there sled is 400lbs and has 150 hp..Yamaha needs to concentrate on good reliable fuel efficient sleds that have a great ride and lasts for years...

 

[LJ 452]

Jimmy Blaze backflipped a stock phazer at yamafest in Revy a few years back.

I watched Blaze and talked to him a bit at Snow Motion here in Mi. Got to look his Phazer over pretty good. Thing was beat up pretty bad. Looked good from 30/40 ft but up close and personal, rough. This was the non-turbo one. My understanding is that he had two different versions. One N/A for sea level and one Turbo/Super, as the N/A couldn't do it when at elevation. Even the N/A one wasn't "Stock" and quite frankly I wouldn't expect it to be.