SledFreak
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Yes, if the patent had been infringed, then they have to be very close in design, as well as, the way they perform. I've tried C&A and for groomed trail riding, they just have way too much keel and you need arms like popeye to turn your sled. The duel runners can be a little stiff, if you have big runners on them. I had a pair of flex skis on my REV and they worked good, but they darted alot. It would turn and they would not float like the Precisions. I'm going to give the Yamies a try and put a good set of Woody's executive series, 8 or 10" carbides and see how they work. The editor from snowtech magazine sent me an email before saying the best all around ski is the SLT straight Line Tracking ski. If I can find the email I will post it.Dano said:
Alot of my Doo buddies junked there precision skis and put C&As on. For whatever that is worth...BBY
jimmie d
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The precision were a poor copy of the Simmons, not as wide, different carbide placement and garbage material on the precisions.
jim
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BlueByYou2000 said:
And their thoughts of the C&A's was?
Your doo buddies & yourself drive what type of cond Matt?
I've used C&A's for 5 years now. I love them. I'm considering switch to slydog. I've heard really good things about them.
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Jim's right on the money with this comment.greenmachine said:
alaskanbowtie
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what kind of condition I ride ?
I ride mostly mnt with some trail playing on the way and our trails are rough , we don't have the luxury of groomers in Alaska ,(the last frontier) . Not to rob the thread but , if I stick with the Apex MNT ski's and buy a nice set of carbides which would everyone recommend , Are the Woody dooly's very good, better than a single carbide , and are they heavy ? I've also seen some that had 3 carbides on one rod , one in center and two on the edge of the rod so when it leans they touch ? Are these any good ?
I ride mostly mnt with some trail playing on the way and our trails are rough , we don't have the luxury of groomers in Alaska ,(the last frontier) . Not to rob the thread but , if I stick with the Apex MNT ski's and buy a nice set of carbides which would everyone recommend , Are the Woody dooly's very good, better than a single carbide , and are they heavy ? I've also seen some that had 3 carbides on one rod , one in center and two on the edge of the rod so when it leans they touch ? Are these any good ?
They love the C&As for the kind of riding we do. Which is, mostly all trail and very little boondocking...BBY
Silver
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The triple edge ones from Bergstorm are very good a little spendy but worth it.
Swiss Sledder
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Rotax! said:
Tork
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Rotax! said:
No, that is not how patents work and this is not what people do to get around patents. What Simmons probably has patents on are the carbides at the edges, the micro edges on the bottom, the sliding rear point of the ski loop, and possibly the exact design of the concave bottom.
Things that are not patentable are widths, fore and aft placements of the carbides and so on.
Even the casual observer can see from the website that the ski has patents on it. So what Ski-Doo did, is take what they wanted and yet make a number of things quite different, so they could attempt to say it is a completely different ski which it really is. Yet they did get nailed for stealing key ideas.
It is so nice that the little guy won especially since his ski is alot better
LazyBastard
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Simmons "flexi" ski doesn't get iced up in the tunnel because every time the ski flexes, the ice falls out.
Key differences between simmons and doo:
- Flexibility - +simmons
- tunnel width - +simmons
- tunnel depth - +simmons.
With a very shallow tunnel, the doo skis have a very hard time biting. They had to go with a shallow tunnel to reduce the ice buildup as an alternative to adding flexibility, which they figured would be just too blatant of a copy. Still builds ice though.
Heh heh, one more thing. My buddy has a doo rev 800 ho with stock skis. He was asking me where to get simmons skis 'cause he really liked them.
Key differences between simmons and doo:
- Flexibility - +simmons
- tunnel width - +simmons
- tunnel depth - +simmons.
With a very shallow tunnel, the doo skis have a very hard time biting. They had to go with a shallow tunnel to reduce the ice buildup as an alternative to adding flexibility, which they figured would be just too blatant of a copy. Still builds ice though.
Heh heh, one more thing. My buddy has a doo rev 800 ho with stock skis. He was asking me where to get simmons skis 'cause he really liked them.
simmons are nice ski's,but it seems everyone with the rev platform dosen't care for them,it must be the just that chasis.
RTX Meirda
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I have a buddy with a Rev. He spends alot of time on dootalk. Everyone says precisions are garbage. He bought a set of single runner ski doo skis.
He does not like them at all....he put the precisions back on.
The darting was driving him crazy.
The precisions did not have alot of bite in the corners in loose snow....but they did not dart!
He does not like them at all....he put the precisions back on.
The darting was driving him crazy.
The precisions did not have alot of bite in the corners in loose snow....but they did not dart!
milkman
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I do 99% of my riding on grommed trails ,had a rev with persision skis on front before didn,t realy like them .I found they darted terrible when following someone with the same ski.Maybe simmons are better this way can you guys help?BlueByYou2000 said:
Thanks milkman
