WTF is going on with the price of gas??

[birkebeiner]

I hear you!!! And agree!!

 

[birkebeiner]

Btw; any snowmobiling in the UK??

 

[y_guy]

I will try to keep politics out, but that is partially the reason for gas prices. We can't drill here which makes us dependant. This keeps supply volitile and demand up.

as to the debt, 458 billion is manageable, 1.4 trillion is NOT. And we didn't have to buy car companies, banks, etc... and spend on HC and social programs. When our debt is high our economy is going to collapse. Its just the facts. You could say i work in this field every day.

Stimulus has been wasted. Right now in my city they are putting camera's on buses for no reason other than they got 100 million in stimulus and had to spend it. Tell me, how does this create revenue or economic growth? it doesn't. It was a waste. If you don't stimulate the private sector, recovery doesn't happen. But the money went to supporters as payback and to state and local gov't. It hasn't touched the private sector.

 

[arteeex]

I will try to keep politics out, but that is partially the reason for gas prices. We can't drill here which makes us dependant. This keeps supply volitile and demand up.

as to the debt, 458 billion is manageable, 1.4 trillion is NOT. And we didn't have to buy car companies, banks, etc... and spend on HC and social programs. When our debt is high our economy is going to collapse. Its just the facts. I would in this field every day.

Stimulus has been wasted. Right now in my city they are putting camera's on buses for no reason other than they got 100 million in stimulus and had to spend it. Tell me, how does this create revenue or economic growth? it doesn't. It was a waste. If you don't stimulate the private sector, recovery doesn't happen. But the money went to supporters as payback and to state and local gov't. It hasn't touched the private sector.

I think you may have concept of a fact confused with dogma. 458 billion was a real number, 1.4 trillion is projected. We are America were everything is big and has a big number attached.

The cameras for your buses were purchased from a business. Someone got paid to make them. Someone else got paid to install them. Someone else gets paid to fix them and taxes were paid at each step in the process. This is a very simplified example of how such a program could create revenue and economic growth. Even if only government employees were responsible for all of the transactions they still pay taxes and purchase food and homes and cars, and send their kids to college. Given that you would in the field every day you probably just overlooked this little caveat.

Anyway...Go Saints!!

 

[Swiss Sledder]

Guys, if you want to discuss how the price of fuel may impact your snowmobile experience, future snowmobile purchases, or planned trips, then no problem.

I know everyone including me is frustrated with the snow conditions, but if you want to discuss political parties, stimulus packages, OPEC, etc., then please do this on another site as it is not appropriate on TY. Any more posts about politics and this thread will be moved to the Dog Pile and deleted. Thank you for your understanding.

 

[y_guy]

I will try to keep politics out, but that is partially the reason for gas prices. We can't drill here which makes us dependant. This keeps supply volitile and demand up.

as to the debt, 458 billion is manageable, 1.4 trillion is NOT. And we didn't have to buy car companies, banks, etc... and spend on HC and social programs. When our debt is high our economy is going to collapse. Its just the facts. I would in this field every day.

Stimulus has been wasted. Right now in my city they are putting camera's on buses for no reason other than they got 100 million in stimulus and had to spend it. Tell me, how does this create revenue or economic growth? it doesn't. It was a waste. If you don't stimulate the private sector, recovery doesn't happen. But the money went to supporters as payback and to state and local gov't. It hasn't touched the private sector.

I think you may have concept of a fact confused with dogma. 458 billion was a real number, 1.4 trillion is projected. We are America were everything is big and has a big number attached.

The cameras for your buses were purchased from a business. Someone got paid to make them. Someone else got paid to install them. Someone else gets paid to fix them and taxes were paid at each step in the process. This is a very simplified example of how such a program could create revenue and economic growth. Even if only government employees were responsible for all of the transactions they still pay taxes and purchase food and homes and cars, and send their kids to college. Given that you would in the field every day you probably just overlooked this little caveat.

Anyway...Go Saints!!

but where is the growth? how does it further the economy. It doesn't. its wasteful spending. I would rather that go to a company in which they would either get a tax break, or money for expansion so jobs are needed. They will then produce something someone needs. it gets the money flowing and trading hands. These one time shots don't do anything and revenue going forward is done after the company supplies the cameras.

Gas prices in the areas where we snowmobile are also alot higher than in the big cities. They are trying to take advantage. Tell me why minocqua is higher than milwaukee?

 

[arteeex]

Gas prices in the areas where we snowmobile are also alot higher than in the big cities. They are trying to take advantage. Tell me why minocqua is higher than milwaukee?

Oh good. We're back on topic, sort of.

The primary reason gas prices vary from one region to another, or one street corner to another, is because they can. And, yes someone is trying to take advantage of you in this equation. It's an old concept called capitalism. It's loosely based on the idea of extracting as much as possible from those interested in a product or service. If you want the price of gas to go down in Minocqua, buy your gas somewhere else. This will to pull down the demand curve in Minocqua and shift it to the new location.

Following this example we can all now reduce our snowmobiling expenses and transfer these savings to our future snowmobile purchases and trip planning efforts.

And now the cycle is complete.

 

[y_guy]

ART.. i understand the minocqua example. i was keeping it snowmobilie related. I have been used to it for years and in all honesty, don't have a problem with it.

 

[karl]

You are absolutly right Arteeex, vote with your money. Support the local folks that support you.

 

[BlgsRX-1mtn]

You guys have all missed the point on why fuel prices are on the rise here in the US . I work at the ConocoPhillips refinery here in Billings, Montana and have read alot of insider stuff sent out by our CEO (Jim Mulva)on our corporate web site. There are many factors that have caused this.

First; is the increase in demand for oil from developing countries like China and India. We now have to compete for oil with these countries (thus the price/barrel has risen) When the econonmy took a dump these prices fell temporarally until exporting countries lowered the amount of available oil on the market (which stabilized the price of a bbl of oil.

Second, When the econonmy dropped out from under us; alot of U.S. refineries where in the middle of improvement to refining as mandated by the EPA (ultra low sulpher deisel and low sulpher gasoline). Between the economy crashing and the US gov deciding to do the "Cash for Clunkers" program here in the US.

Third (and the biggest reason); The reason for the current rises of refined fuels are due to Corprate Oil. Their stock prices have been in the toilet for over a year now(my 401k is still down about $70,000).

This is due to lower profits because of less demand for refined products. To drive stock back up enough to make the company look good to investers; refineries are actual cutting production, and in some market areas even shutting down refineries (thus laying of thousands of workers) to drive up the price of fuels and increase profit margins. They don't say it outright in this article but you can see that shutting down refineries (lowering production/laying off workers) has driven stock prices up. Here's a link to this on Yahoo; http://finance.yahoo.com/news/With-fuel ... l?x=0&.v=1

Jim