MI Off Trail Rider
Newbie
Hi guys.
I have a 2009 XTX with approximately 1000 miles. I'm doing some summer work on it and have noticed that when I push on the rear bumper and compress the skid, it sticks a good 5 inches down and I have to pull it back up. My buddy had the same situation with his (only 300 miles) so he took it to the dealership and they said these "new" skids have some "sag" to them, and its normal.
I have all of the clickers on mine set to medium and the leaf springs are on the heaviest (hardest) setting. I just greased the whole thing throughly. (no fluid leaks from any of the skid shocks).
The machine handled awesome this year, but I want to make sure I dont have a bad shock or somthing.
Thanks, you guys are the best and so is YAMAHA!!!!!
I have a 2009 XTX with approximately 1000 miles. I'm doing some summer work on it and have noticed that when I push on the rear bumper and compress the skid, it sticks a good 5 inches down and I have to pull it back up. My buddy had the same situation with his (only 300 miles) so he took it to the dealership and they said these "new" skids have some "sag" to them, and its normal.
I have all of the clickers on mine set to medium and the leaf springs are on the heaviest (hardest) setting. I just greased the whole thing throughly. (no fluid leaks from any of the skid shocks).
The machine handled awesome this year, but I want to make sure I dont have a bad shock or somthing.
Thanks, you guys are the best and so is YAMAHA!!!!!
I had the same problem with mine from new. I machined up some spacers from plastic I had kicking around and it seemed to fix the problem. You can get the spacers ready made from Hygear. I just happened to have the means and opportunity so I made my own and saved some money.
Good Luck!
Good Luck!
mjaremko
Suspended
Where do the spacers go exactly??
mj
mj
Sorry about that,
They go inside the torsion springs and allows the spring to work properly. From factory there is too much gap between the spring and axle. The "non returning sag" comes from this area.
check out this link:
http://www.hygearsuspension.com/torsion_springs.html
They go inside the torsion springs and allows the spring to work properly. From factory there is too much gap between the spring and axle. The "non returning sag" comes from this area.
check out this link:
http://www.hygearsuspension.com/torsion_springs.html
mjaremko
Suspended
Thanks for the link...........
mj
mj
Apex & xtx
Expert
same problem here from about 10miles to now. I thought it was just i needed to lose some weight or something. but i guess i am not the only one 
I have the same problem on a 2008 Apex, now I know the fix. Thanks nlh
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I have noticed the same thing to be common amongst all Yamaha skids. If you kneel on them, then let off, the skid doesn't spring right back to where it's static position was.
It is normal for all skids to have some sag built into them. But it just seems that all Yamaha skids don't spring right back to the static point as other skids do.
It is normal for all skids to have some sag built into them. But it just seems that all Yamaha skids don't spring right back to the static point as other skids do.
MI Off Trail Rider
Newbie
Thanks
Thanks so much for the great information.
THINK
SNOW
Thanks so much for the great information.
THINK
SNOW
almost all torsion spring set ups from all sled mfgs are like this. they take a set, and the spring cant push the suspension to full height. it is built in sag. some sleds are worse than others.
soft inital plushness of the shock calibrations effect this as well. shocks are the lesser of the problem though, as they are not meant to return the suspension to ride height. that is where spring come into play.
there are two fields of thought on suspension travel. stiff springs and soft shocks, and soft springs and stiff shocks. both have their pluses and minuses, both have their place in suspension usefullness. you have to decide for yourself what works better for yourself and each individual sled. ski
soft inital plushness of the shock calibrations effect this as well. shocks are the lesser of the problem though, as they are not meant to return the suspension to ride height. that is where spring come into play.
there are two fields of thought on suspension travel. stiff springs and soft shocks, and soft springs and stiff shocks. both have their pluses and minuses, both have their place in suspension usefullness. you have to decide for yourself what works better for yourself and each individual sled. ski
ahicks
TY 4 Stroke Master
From what I've experienced, this kind of thing isn't at all unusuall on ANY torsion spring type skid. The problem is most often caused by too much weight placed on the rear (torsion) springs, rather than evenly spread across the front and rear skid springs - as in the front skid spring is not carrying it's fair share, resulting in an overloaded rear. Common causes might be having the front of the sled on dollies, having a dolly (or something) placed under the skid, or a set of shocks/springs (aftermarket?) that are set up to hold the front ride height considerably higher than factory for a jumping setup or the SnoX look? If the sled still does this (anything over maybe an inch?) when sitting with nothing under it on a relatively flat surface, it can result in an excessively heavy front end feel, as well as substandard skid performance. I feel the problem should be found and addressed from a handling perspective. FWIW
FJR1300
Expert
so nlh what is the diameter of the ones you made 2 1/4 or 2 1/2
FJR1300,
I honestly can't remember. I was in such a hurry to build them, get them installed and go riding with the group that I neglected to make a sketch. I believe I left about .25" of space per side between the O.D. of the bushing and the I.D. of the spring, if that is any help. Don't make it too close of a fit to the spring or you will get bind when the spring compresses. At some point this summer I will be taking out my skid to do maintenance and will get measurements then.
Hope this helps.
I honestly can't remember. I was in such a hurry to build them, get them installed and go riding with the group that I neglected to make a sketch. I believe I left about .25" of space per side between the O.D. of the bushing and the I.D. of the spring, if that is any help. Don't make it too close of a fit to the spring or you will get bind when the spring compresses. At some point this summer I will be taking out my skid to do maintenance and will get measurements then.
Hope this helps.
FJR1300
Expert
Yhanks for the reply
Apex & xtx
Expert
Hey guys i just pulled out my skid and took of my track which wasnt a fun experance but anyways i am replacing it with a backcountry 1.75, I had the problem with the suspension not come back up to stock height. So now that the skid is out i can get a better look at things. I need to get this spacers but i am not sure if my springs are still good. They are like twisted in and down big time? If I do the spacers would it be enough to straighten them out?
On inspection it looks like the limiter straps are fraying alil bit not sure if I should replace them since I have it apart. And the other thing i found that I new is time for some new slides and might aswell get a 8inch wheel kit for the ole girl. ill take a pic in a min. I am decent with a wrench but I dont know a ton about suspensions im trying to learn though. Any advice would be appreciated thanks!
On inspection it looks like the limiter straps are fraying alil bit not sure if I should replace them since I have it apart. And the other thing i found that I new is time for some new slides and might aswell get a 8inch wheel kit for the ole girl. ill take a pic in a min. I am decent with a wrench but I dont know a ton about suspensions im trying to learn though. Any advice would be appreciated thanks!
