1st ride on MY SE- Somebody please help me dial it in!!

[stinx]

Finally got out to ride my Nytro SE today. I rode about 120 miles. I like the motor and like how the sled handles the bumps. MY sled is bordering on being unsafe as far as cornering. I have inside ski lift and the sled feels twitchy. My 06 Attak actually would out handle this sled in the twisties and tight trails.I have not touched any of the adjustments yet. I have Pilot 5.7 with dual runners. 96 studs up the middle. I weigh about 175 with gear on. 75 psi in the front shocks. This weekends conditions were solid base with about 3 inches of powder. I am an agressive trail rider. Somebody please help me get this thing dialed in before I go back to an Apex or XP.

 

[Traildale]

At stock settings, your experience is typical.
What has worked as a starting point for many riders:
1) pull the front limiter strap up two holes. Difference is noticable.
2) get some adjustable rear coupler blocks (Hauck Powersports or other). The difference is dramatic.
3) higher pressure in the front shocks will not allow the suspension to compress in the corner and put tension on the sway bar. That equals abrupt inside ski lift.

 

[Grimm]

Try to adjust settings a bit at a time and see what works for you. Have a read through your manual on what adjustment does what.

I wouldn't suggest pulling up your limiter straps right off the bat, perhaps soften the air pressure on the ski shocks by 10 pounds or so.

Check ski toe out, should be between 0 and 15mm.

Also, do a search here: http://www.ty4stroke.com/search.php Many have experienced the same symptoms as you, which is not just limited to the Nytros.

 

[stewartb]

The first things I'd do is tighten the rear coupling and pump up the ski shocks. I'd also pull the limiter up one notch if the steering pressure wasn't too great, but you really never commented on that. These changes shouldn't degrade the bump response unless you like to lift the skis with a blip of power. You should still be able to do so but your timing will be the key. I'd love to hear a pilot report after you tweak it and ride it again. I'm trying to digest all the negative reports about the various Nytro models. I hope all reporters of negative traits comment about the effects of set-up changes. I also wonder how many are riding the sleds aggressively weight forward and how many are trying to ride the rider forward Nytro like a traditional sled. No criticism of one or the other, but the set-ups will need to be different.

I'm not too impressed with Fox Floats. I can kind of understand their use on a mountain sled but can't figure out why you'd want them on a tricked-out bump sled. I must be missing something. (I don't have Floats on my Yamaha and my Float experience is limited).

SB

 

[Crewchief47]

You can try some of the stuff in here, http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=62502 but there isn't any SE set-ups in there yet.

 

[AIRWOLF]

The first things I'd do is tighten the rear coupling and pump up the ski shocks. I'd also pull the limiter up one notch if the steering pressure wasn't too great, but you really never commented on that. These changes shouldn't degrade the bump response unless you like to lift the skis with a blip of power. You should still be able to do so but your timing will be the key. I'd love to hear a pilot report after you tweak it and ride it again. I'm trying to digest all the negative reports about the various Nytro models. I hope all reporters of negative traits comment about the effects of set-up changes. I also wonder how many are riding the sleds aggressively weight forward and how many are trying to ride the rider forward Nytro like a traditional sled. No criticism of one or the other, but the set-ups will need to be different.

I'm not too impressed with Fox Floats. I can kind of understand their use on a mountain sled but can't figure out why you'd want them on a tricked-out bump sled. I must be missing something. (I don't have Floats on my Yamaha and my Float experience is limited).

SB

Why would you advise to pump up the shock psi ? that would only make the ski lift worse

 

[LJ 452]

The first things I'd do is tighten the rear coupling and pump up the ski shocks. I'd also pull the limiter up one notch if the steering pressure wasn't too great, but you really never commented on that. These changes shouldn't degrade the bump response unless you like to lift the skis with a blip of power. You should still be able to do so but your timing will be the key. I'd love to hear a pilot report after you tweak it and ride it again. I'm trying to digest all the negative reports about the various Nytro models. I hope all reporters of negative traits comment about the effects of set-up changes. I also wonder how many are riding the sleds aggressively weight forward and how many are trying to ride the rider forward Nytro like a traditional sled. No criticism of one or the other, but the set-ups will need to be different.

I'm not too impressed with Fox Floats. I can kind of understand their use on a mountain sled but can't figure out why you'd want them on a tricked-out bump sled. I must be missing something. (I don't have Floats on my Yamaha and my Float experience is limited).

SB

Why would you advise to pump up the shock psi ? that would only make the ski lift worse

Exactly^^^

Drop them to 40-50 psi, drop the compression all the way to soft, and the rebound about middle. If you bottom turn up the comp, If it feels like it's still loose or is lifting skis, pull the front strap up one hole, if you like the effect and want more go two holes. Leave the coupling alone for now. I'm going to assume your springs are set to low given your weight.

 

[Goddo]

The first things I'd do is tighten the rear coupling and pump up the ski shocks. I'd also pull the limiter up one notch if the steering pressure wasn't too great, but you really never commented on that. These changes shouldn't degrade the bump response unless you like to lift the skis with a blip of power. You should still be able to do so but your timing will be the key. I'd love to hear a pilot report after you tweak it and ride it again. I'm trying to digest all the negative reports about the various Nytro models. I hope all reporters of negative traits comment about the effects of set-up changes. I also wonder how many are riding the sleds aggressively weight forward and how many are trying to ride the rider forward Nytro like a traditional sled. No criticism of one or the other, but the set-ups will need to be different.

I'm not too impressed with Fox Floats. I can kind of understand their use on a mountain sled but can't figure out why you'd want them on a tricked-out bump sled. I must be missing something. (I don't have Floats on my Yamaha and my Float experience is limited).

SB

Why would you advise to pump up the shock psi ? that would only make the ski lift worse

In theory yes....without changing the front limiter it would definitely make ski lift worse. Too much pressure makes the sled bounce off the bumps instead of absorbing them.

I would make one adjustment at a time. Start by taking the limiter up one hole and leaving the floats at 75 for now. See how the added ski pressure affects the front suspension. With more weight on front end, 75 might be okay.

 

[red800rev]

se

I hated my pilots on my xp last year they pushed like crazy in the turns ,I put on c&a razers and it was on rails ,I road this weekend with the stock skis on the se ,but I put on 7.5 carbides and it was ok, I have slydog race skis coming this week,these sleds all have some ski lift in corners, I have found that if I am coming in to a left hander I push down on the right side running board with my leg instead of trying to lean left the ski lift is gone ,Just like you would on a mx bike

 

[sled-freak]

when i 1st got my 08 it was very unstable. i went up one in the limiter strap, set the floats at 90psi and added 5.7 pilot skis. it rails around the corners now and doesnt get squirelly when you let off the gas. i think a lot of people also overlook how you are supposed to ride this sled. it takes a little body english i believe. its not the type of sled to sit back and ride...hope this helps. let us know how you make out

 

[Daddy]

I just got mine set up where you can ride it "reasonably" fast. Pulled front limiter up 2 holes, back limiter up one hole, bought a set of arctic cat transfer blocks and set them on the "fat" setting, dropped comp and rebound on soft and slow on front end, and am running 85 lbs in front shocks. You can't run under 55 lbs in the front because they will leak out and the sled is just to heavy in the nose to handle any less. Hate to say it, but it is not an XP, so trade or live with it like I have to this year.

 

[stinx]

I am going to play with the adjustments. IM sure the handeling can be improved.I will be able to live with it as long as I can get it to corner better then its doing now.

 

[sleddingfarmer]

stinx, the first 200 to 300 miles on my se I felt the same way...but i got used to it and now I love it, with 600 miles on so far. Just changed my slides and tightened my limiter straps just one hole...to maybe make it corner a tad better.
I have C&A razors with 8 inch carbides, and 132 studs down the middle. I feel it corners best when i get the inside ski to lift a little and roll on the power. I love it!
good luck

 

[unpride]

I just got mine set up where you can ride it "reasonably" fast. Pulled front limiter up 2 holes, back limiter up one hole, bought a set of arctic cat transfer blocks and set them on the "fat" setting, dropped comp and rebound on soft and slow on front end, and am running 85 lbs in front shocks. You can't run under 55 lbs in the front because they will leak out and the sled is just to heavy in the nose to handle any less. Hate to say it, but it is not an XP, so trade or live with it like I have to this year.

Where did you get your float info. from? Leaks at 55psi come on!

 

[LJ 452]

I just got mine set up where you can ride it "reasonably" fast. Pulled front limiter up 2 holes, back limiter up one hole, bought a set of arctic cat transfer blocks and set them on the "fat" setting, dropped comp and rebound on soft and slow on front end, and am running 85 lbs in front shocks. You can't run under 55 lbs in the front because they will leak out and the sled is just to heavy in the nose to handle any less. Hate to say it, but it is not an XP, so trade or live with it like I have to this year.

Where did you get your float info. from? Leaks at 55psi come on!

I was thinking the same thing, many on here ran the Floats on there Apex's (heavier yet) at 35-45 psi, no problem. I think as long as your not bottoming, or scraping the front end, the lower the better, as far as "cornering". Now, if I were to ride Tug, probably 60-70