2021 T-Cat

waldo1 said:
if u dont listen to ben- your an idiot - and a big reason i left this site a year ago - fact r facts - just trying to be fast - unlike u - cat clutches suc - fact
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Just to let you know RockerDan is a very knowledgeable guy. He’s helped me and a lot of guys out on this sight. I think he deserves respect for all he has done on here.Name calling is a little childish I’m on this sight to give and get help so please don’t turn this into #*$&@ show.
 
Yamahas torsional secondary is far superior to Teams compression secondary in go fast applications... For trail riding the Team backshift faster....as do all compression only secondaries. As far as primary's we all know the Winders lightweight clutch works well, right up until it explodes.
 
eightpilot said:
Yamahas torsional secondary is far superior to Teams compression secondary in go fast applications... For trail riding the Team backshift faster....as do all compression only secondaries. As far as primary's we all know the Winders lightweight clutch works well, right up until it explodes.
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It’s not that one secondary is superior to the other, it’s how they are tuned. Yes so very true, the roller compression secondary’s tend to overshift easily at top speeds. Harder to tune imo.
They can be made to work well in top speed applications. It’s a matter of proper alignment and the correct helix & spring combo for the weights your running. This is true with any clutch setup but more so with a roller compression spring secondary. The AC compression secondary is what I’m more familiar with and has the same issues. They are very picky on belt type as well, compared with a torsion button clutch. M2C
 
Hammer70 said:
Just to let you know RockerDan is a very knowledgeable guy. He’s helped me and a lot of guys out on this sight. I think he deserves respect for all he has done on here.Name calling is a little childish I’m on this sight to give and get help so please don’t turn this into #*$&@ show.
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Thanks
 
Shout out to Dan. You have provided an encyclopedia of information on this site. you have earned the respect of 99.9% of the people that are on this site over a long period of time . You are the best brother. Have a great year there's a lot of people that have been helped on this site over the years and I am definitely one of them .
 
ClutchMaster said:
It’s not that one secondary is superior to the other, it’s how they are tuned. Yes so very true, the roller compression secondary’s tend to overshift easily at top speeds. Harder to tune imo.
They can be made to work well in top speed applications. It’s a matter of proper alignment and the correct helix & spring combo for the weights your running. This is true with any clutch setup but more so with a roller compression spring secondary. The AC compression secondary is what I’m more familiar with and has the same issues. They are very picky on belt type as well, compared with a torsion button clutch. M2C
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I somewhat disagree... Every fast drag racing sled is running some type of torsional secondary. Now trail riding.... The team tied is hard to beat.
 
I always have a snappier "more fun" sled in my tight trails when converted to compression. Now you gotta remember im talking my tightest areas where you are hammered down for like 3 to 5 seconds then on full brakes, so speeds are slow overall and when it gets rough there is lots of Knoll hopping.

On my 1200, when I converted to a Purple/Purple compression spring, that sled became a total monster for knoll hopping. Before that with the torsional, it just would not snap to power nearly fast enough to lift nose at will.

After my Winder was set to 270tune, with all the clutching setup how I wanted it. The Winder became an animal for sure. But I was surprised when a bud came up to ride with me, with his BRAND NEW(50 miles) Cat RR. Bone stock, 24/50 gears, and even a stock Cat belt. We finally swapped sleds, and I was ready for it to feel poochy like my STOCK Winder felt, where I was NOT HAPPY at all how poorly/slowly the stock Winder would come off a knoll, it was a POOCH and I was not happy at all stock. Well, this stock CAT would snap off knolls and rocket corner to corner, just nearly as good as my totally tuned Winder!

This for me was the time I realized, the gear/clutching combo Cat installed was simply incredible.

I will also add this....over on HCS, someone chimed in when I mentioned the Cat gears are only good for 118gps. Well, he said they had one go 126GPS with bone stock Cat gears. Was a Tcat with 1" track, A TUNE and revving 9250 apparently when it went 126gps. Ive heard this a few times now, that the TEAM clutches have a huge amount of OD on par with the DOO(.85)https://www.hardcoresledder.com/forums/534-turbo-4-stroke/1862114-2021-thundercat.html#post20297672

So if that is true, IMO there is no compromise with the 24/50 gears/TEAM combo. In the end for me, I really want the snappy sled as we rarely get out my stalker pro gun these days, it's all about animal corner to corner snap for us.

Dan
 
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ROCKERDAN said:
I always have a snappier "more fun" sled in my tight trails when converted to compression. Now you gotta remember im talking my tightest areas where you are hammered down for like 3 to 5 seconds then on full brakes, so speeds are slow overall and when it gets rough there is lots of Knoll hopping.

On my 1200, when I converted to a Purple/Purple compression spring, that sled became a total monster for knoll hopping. Before that with the torsional, it just would not snap to power nearly fast enough to lift nose at will.

After my Winder was set to 270tune, with all the clutching setup how I wanted it. The Winder became an animal for sure. But I was surprised when a bud came up to ride with me, with his BRAND NEW(50 miles) Cat RR. Bone stock, 24/50 gears, and even a stock Cat belt. We finally swapped sleds, and I was ready for it to feel poochy like my STOCK Winder felt, where I was NOT HAPPY at all how poorly/slowly the stock Winder would come off a knoll, it was a POOCH and I was not happy at all stock. Well, this stock CAT would snap off knolls and rocket corner to corner, just nearly as good as my totally tuned Winder!

This for me was the time I realized, the gear/clutching combo Cat installed was simply incredible.

I will also add this....over on HCS, someone chimed in when I mentioned the Cat gears are only good for 118gps. Well, he said they had one go 126GPS with bone stock Cat gears. Was a Tcat with 1" track, A TUNE and revving 9250 apparently when it went 126gps. Ive heard this a few times now, that the TEAM clutches have a huge amount of OD on par with the DOO(.85)https://www.hardcoresledder.com/forums/534-turbo-4-stroke/1862114-2021-thundercat.html#post20297672

So if that is true, IMO there is no compromise with the 24/50 gears/TEAM combo. In the end for me, I really want the snappy sled as we rarely get out my stalker pro gun these days, it's all about animal corner to corner snap for us.

Dan
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BTW- as perhaps an added bonus I have experienced great "longevity" with the Team clutching. This weekend I helped a buddy of mine go through everything on a 280HP tuned '17 Tcat 137" with 248 studs with 4692 miles. Running XS belt. The clutches were "like new." No parts of service required except blowing out dust. Both clutches showed no wear on any parts. Primary still tight, no bushing wear on center or weights. Secondary rollers still like new, no bushing wear. I was impressed that these clutches could hold up this well. BTW - this TCat has 21/38 gearing with 1.625" Triggers all with aluminum backers and nuts.
 
jesus - talk about a witch hunt - i know dans sharp, thats why i was offended when he called me out like i dont know what im talken about - and stated that, i nicely mentioned his loud statement hopen hed settle down a little - so i mention a guy that does it for a living that definitely does knows what hes talken about with facts wins and he slams him too - seriously - and u all jump on the band wagon tell me what a dic i am - did u read the whole thing.... all i said was the cat needs a couple things to compete and WAM.... phhh. all u yama haters should buy that cat!
 
swampcat said:
Never let your mouth write a check your sled CANT cash.
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:rofl::rofl:

Lol,
Trust me.... not scared.
I’ll be there out on the ice with my trailer, just like every other year. I’ll be parked over in front of Timbers, hangin with the Cat “nitrous” guys who smoked most of you tuned winders last year, I got the videos.

Ugly orange & blue Viper LE, can’t miss it.

If your feeling froggy, come on by and we can jump.

;):D
 
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