2022 Preorder build dates/delivery dates

[Simplespeed]

To be honest, what's wrong with the older tech? I've always been a 2 stroke guy, I went with Yamaha full well knowing the issues, I ordered a bunch of parts to fix those issues. Nothing comes perfect but I'd rather fix a few minor problems and be at 300hp than be changing pistons in a new 2 stroke a couple seasons from now.

Most of my buddies still on 2 strokes trade em in every couple years now.

I don't particularly want a massive dash that does all kinds of stuff. I want a sled with power, paddles, decent riding and reliable. Yamaha checked all those boxes. They just haven't delivered it yet

They sold more than they could build, why would they change?

Nothing is wrong with older tech providing you can supply the demand, would a new GPS with updated trails be better, ?no question and is it overdue ? Yes it is .. but the added cost to a high price unit already well that’s probably why we are not seeing it .. When Yamaha decided to stop making chassis’s and ship the snowmobile division to Toronto it appears they only wish to make motors and they really eliminated half their involvement .. The cat chassis is a good chassis but after 5 years they have not fixed those very known issues … Why ??? Almost everyone riding a four stroke came from 2 strokes so it just took you a little longer to realize what many of us already know… Welcome to the club .. Lol There no excuse for any manufacture to take a just in time order( spring snow check ) and not have it delivered the next fall on time.. Don’t get me wrong, I like my winder and after it got it set up right, its a very good handling trail sled . Your right no sled is perfect but thats no excuse not to try and get them to reach for the stars …

 

[Shawn660]

Nothing is wrong with older tech providing you can supply the demand, would a new GPS with updated trails be better, ?no question and is it overdue ? Yes it is .. but the added cost to a high price unit already well that’s probably why we are not seeing it .. When Yamaha decided to stop making chassis’s and ship the snowmobile division to Toronto it appears they only wish to make motors and they really eliminated half their involvement .. The cat chassis is a good chassis but after 5 years they have not fixed those very known issues … Why ??? Almost everyone riding a four stroke came from 2 strokes so it just took you a little longer to realize what many of us already know… Welcome to the club .. Lol There no excuse for any manufacture to take a just in time order( spring snow check ) and not have it delivered the next fall on time.. Don’t get me wrong, I like my winder and after it got it set up right, its a very good handling trail sled . Your right no sled is perfect but thats no excuse not to try and get them to reach for the stars …

But we know what the issues are. And honestly if cat still had the 800 Suzuki motor I'd probably get another one. These 850's seem to have a short fuse lol.

I agree they should fix the issues.

I have absolutely no interest in a built in GPS, especially at an added cost. My Garmin alpha 200i gets mounted to my toys, that way I can use it year around, it gives me satellite communications and tracks the dogs.

I really hope 2023 the deliveries go smoother, if they can't figure it out maybe we should order 2 years in advance... I dunno

 

[Pstn head]

Nothing is wrong with older tech providing you can supply the demand, would a new GPS with updated trails be better, ?no question and is it overdue ? Yes it is .. but the added cost to a high price unit already well that’s probably why we are not seeing it .. When Yamaha decided to stop making chassis’s and ship the snowmobile division to Toronto it appears they only wish to make motors and they really eliminated half their involvement .. The cat chassis is a good chassis but after 5 years they have not fixed those very known issues … Why ??? Almost everyone riding a four stroke came from 2 strokes so it just took you a little longer to realize what many of us already know… Welcome to the club .. Lol There no excuse for any manufacture to take a just in time order( spring snow check ) and not have it delivered the next fall on time.. Don’t get me wrong, I like my winder and after it got it set up right, its a very good handling trail sled . Your right no sled is perfect but thats no excuse not to try and get them to reach for the stars …

Apparently they fixed the issues,do they work,don't know for sure. They addressed the drive axle bearing,the top gear, the rubber hose in the tunnel, the ROV, the relays, and still some guys say they didn't, I don't get it ? They've made improvements like front end, rear skid front arm, power steering so on and so on. If they called it a new chassis every time they did something like some other manufacturers it be like gen 12 or something.
Whatever any ways they all have issues... it's just getting old, brings traffic to the forum, but old.

 

[APEXJOCKEY]

Apparently they fixed the issues,do they work,don't know for sure. They addressed the drive axle bearing,the top gear, the rubber hose in the tunnel, the ROV, the relays, and still some guys say they didn't, I don't get it ? They've made improvements like front end, rear skid front arm, power steering so on and so on. If they called it a new chassis every time they did something like some other manufacturers it be like gen 12 or something.
Whatever any ways they all have issues... it's just getting old, brings traffic to the forum, but old.

Man.. You hit the nail right on the head with this statement.
First let me give you a quick background on me. In the past 40+ years I’ve been riding and have owned multiple brands. I’ve owned the latest and greatest Skidoo’s for the last 12 years, But.. I’ve never owned an Arctic Cat so I’m looking at Arctic Cat with new eyes. When Cat decided to offer EPS on their Thundercat I started doing my own research on their chassis and all the improvements they’ve made over the years. When you ride another brand you tend to not care what Arctic cat is doing and listen to all the haters and people that parrot what they hear about cats not fixing this and the pro cross chassis is so old and outdated. All the improvements you just mentioned are spot on.
I’ve been very vocal to my dealer about how Arctic Cat doesn’t do a great job of advertising their improvements to let people actually know they are making improvements. Arctic Cat isn’t like Skidoo or Polaris where they change a few plastics and prestooo.. You have a new Matryx chassis or changooo.. You have a gen 4 or now a Gen 5 chassis. The chassis hasn’t changed just the plastics. Cat has improved so many issues on the Procross chassis and refined it. In 2020 Cat made the Procross chassis one of the best handling chassis’s and now for 2022, the most reliable Cat you can buy. My dealer said so far this season he has had zero warranty work. My cat dealer is a much young guy and he actually gets out and rides hundreds of miles a weekend and he says this years cat is the best he’s ridden thus far with all the refinements they’ve made.
Like you stated Pstn, If AC kept announcing all new chassis everytime they updated or refined, they’d be on Gen 12. Changing the front spindle geometry 1 1/2” and moving the rear slide action cross shaft position in the tunnel to make it corner flatter with less push in the corners is major improvements in my book.
What about the heated ROV to stop the freezing and blowing out the oil tank seal. Or changing the metal material used in the jack shaft or better protecting the coolant line in the tunnel. All you hear is crickets on this subject.
I watched a YouTube video from a Polaris dealer not to long ago actually come out and say the Matryx chassis isn’t a new chassis, they just changed a couple body panels.. I’m like finally someone actually called it for what it is..

 

[Simplespeed]

Ok I hear what you guys are saying and you all make valid points …. Let me ask you this … Has Yamaha recalled and repaired the known issues with 2017 Sidewinder Chassis ? How about Roll over Value, Oil Tank Design on the 2017 ??? Are you saying they only made improvements in the last 2 years and thats what should be acceptable . I was not referring to the 21 and 22 models , I would hope they got them squared around.. Now its pretty obvious we the customer are left holding the bag.. Is that what you call good customer service ? My point was customer service …. And Arctic Cat and Yamaha should be reminded of the real world events as they have unfolded and fix issues in a timely fashion IMO ….

 

[STAIN]

Has Yamaha recalled and repaired the known issues with 2017

recalls are reserved for safety issues. if there had been a safety issue, fuel leak, brake failure etc. then you would get a recall.
Durability improvements are usually relayed in serviced bulletins and are covered under factory limited warranty.
in some rare circumstances factories will extend warranties on certain durability improvements, but not very often.
you could argue that the oil seal is a fire hazard but until sleds start catching fire, a recall isn't going to happen.

 

[KnappAttack]

Apparently they fixed the issues,do they work,don't know for sure. They addressed the drive axle bearing,the top gear, the rubber hose in the tunnel, the ROV, the relays, and still some guys say they didn't, I don't get it ? They've made improvements like front end, rear skid front arm, power steering so on and so on. If they called it a new chassis every time they did something like some other manufacturers it be like gen 12 or something.
Whatever any ways they all have issues... it's just getting old, brings traffic to the forum, but old.

There has been no fix to the driveshaft bearing fit, design or bearing spinning on the driveshaft, it will still spin and wear on the shaft. Nor has there been any fix to the top gear or top gear bushing wear, and no permanent fix to the tensioner screws that back out. These are the main things that need addressed in the chain case. Year after year its the same design and same problems if you put the miles on to see the issues. Some have put the miles on and some haven't.

To say they have fixed them or addressed the problem with them is false. They did however take the sight glass out of the cover to prevent the failure of it falling out and loosing oil in there a while ago. I still run the sight glass and haven't had an issue with it falling out. Theres been plenty here with new MY22 sleds to confirm the lack of the most important fixes on the 22's. Still the same old, same old.

The ROV now runs to the airbox and drips oil onto the clutches and belt, and the heated ROV still freezes and blows the seal on the oil tank. Not what I'd call fixing the issues here in this department. We're still removing them and doing the bypass to prevent the seal blowing out of the oil tank.

Supposedly they have done something with the hoses on the tunnel heat exchangers, however I've never done anything to my 17 to fix them nor have I had an issue with the stock hoses. Maybe a more HD hose there I think?

The front end didn't need "fixed", although they made a change to make it look like you need a new machine because of it and called it a higher roll center. Those that know how to setup a front end can get the same and actually better effect with lower center of gravity can ge the same flat cornering with the older shorter spindles.

 

[APEXJOCKEY]

Ok I hear what you guys are saying and you all make valid points …. Let me ask you this … Has Yamaha recalled and repaired the known issues with 2017 Sidewinder Chassis ? How about Roll over Value, Oil Tank Design on the 2017 ??? Are you saying they only made improvements in the last 2 years and thats what should be acceptable . I was not referring to the 21 and 22 models , I would hope they got them squared around.. Now its pretty obvious we the customer are left holding the bag.. Is that what you call good customer service ? My point was customer service …. And Arctic Cat and Yamaha should be reminded of the real world events as they have unfolded and fix issues in a timely fashion IMO ….

Hey Simplespeed,
If you are saying that you think Yamaha should supply a free upgrade for all 2017 Yamaha Sidewinder ROV and oil seals, that isn’t going to happen just to make the customers sled up to date to the ‘22’s. Someone might say… Why stop there? Owners of a 2017 Yamaha Sidewinders could also ask to have the new upper A arms and spindles installed on there sleds and the new handlebar controls because the ones on the older Sidewinders are inferior. Imagine how much that would cost Yamaha. Improvements are made every year to new current snowmobiles to make them better. They’re not going to take previous year sleds and upgrade every customers past year snowmobile to the latest and greatest. If you want the latest and greatest improvements you’ll have to buy a new sled. That’s like that with anything sold today. Trucks, Motorcycles, Watercraft etc etc.

 

[jonlafon1]

Sorry Yamacat you HAVE NOT fixed the drive shaft or the upper gear bushing!!! No way no how.. We have fixes that work.. BOP shaft saver at 48 lbs. has worked great for me on the 2022 so far. 1600 miles not shaft wear..

 

[STAIN]

The front end didn't need "fixed", although they made a change to make it look like you need a new machine because of it and called it a higher roll center. Those that know how to setup a front end can get the same and actually better effect with lower center of gravity can ge the same flat cornering with the older shorter spindles.

I have got to disagree with you here Knapp. I rode my 2017 RTx 129 for 10k miles. I set that suspension 10 ways to Sunday over the course of those miles. I changed front track shock spring ( didn't like it ) and even went to a set of new 4 Fox Zero Rc2's. I could not get that RTX to corner as flat as those 2020 T-cats that I ride with . I was even running the same ski and carbide. The only thing I didn't do was change the front springs to same as the T-cats.
Now maybe mine being a 129 vs. a 137 had something to do with it. Or maybe It was the 1 inch lower ride height. Or a combo of both.
I am not saying my RTX 129 didn't corner flat, it did, better than 95% of what's out there, just not like those 2020's. Those things would never pick up an inside ski. I was completely happy with mine until I rode one of those 2020 T-cats, there was a difference.

 

[number1kyster]

I have got to disagree with you here Knapp. I rode my 2017 RTx 129 for 10k miles. I set that suspension 10 ways to Sunday over the course of those miles. I changed front track shock spring ( didn't like it ) and even went to a set of new 4 Fox Zero Rc2's. I could not get that RTX to corner as flat as those 2020 T-cats that I ride with . I was even running the same ski and carbide. The only thing I didn't do was change the front springs to same as the T-cats.
Now maybe mine being a 129 vs. a 137 had something to do with it. Or maybe It was the 1 inch lower ride height. Or a combo of both.
I am not saying my RTX 129 didn't corner flat, it did, better than 95% of what's out there, just not like those 2020's. Those things would never pick up an inside ski. I was completely happy with mine until I rode one of those 2020 T-cats, there was a difference.

I think it's our rear skid geometry. My dad has the same the sled as mine, but an LTX. His always handled flatter with identical suspension settings.

 

[STAIN]

I think it's our rear skid geometry. My dad has the same the sled as mine, but an LTX. His always handled flatter with identical suspension settings.

That is entirely possible.
My RTX 129 was the only other Procross turbo with the 998 I had to compare to the 2020 T-cats. If I had another pre 2020 sled, like the LTX you mentioned, to ride, my opinion might be different. I am not counting the 1100's I have ridden.......

 

[74Nitro]

recalls are reserved for safety issues. if there had been a safety issue, fuel leak, brake failure etc. then you would get a recall.
Durability improvements are usually relayed in serviced bulletins and are covered under factory limited warranty.
in some rare circumstances factories will extend warranties on certain durability improvements, but not very often.
you could argue that the oil seal is a fire hazard but until sleds start catching fire, a recall isn't going to happen.

The term 'recall' gets used loosely, all too often. I actually had a guy recently ask if there was a recall on his 12 year old Yamaha with oil tank cracking.
SMH

 

[Simplespeed]

Hey Simplespeed,
If you are saying that you think Yamaha should supply a free upgrade for all 2017 Yamaha Sidewinder ROV and oil seals, that isn’t going to happen just to make the customers sled up to date to the ‘22’s. Someone might say… Why stop there? Owners of a 2017 Yamaha Sidewinders could also ask to have the new upper A arms and spindles installed on there sleds and the new handlebar controls because the ones on the older Sidewinders are inferior. Imagine how much that would cost Yamaha. Improvements are made every year to new current snowmobiles to make them better. They’re not going to take previous year sleds and upgrade every customers past year snowmobile to the latest and greatest. If you want the latest and greatest improvements you’ll have to buy a new sled. That’s like that with anything sold today. Trucks, Motorcycles, Watercraft etc etc.

No I did not mean to sound like they should fix all issues on older sleds free of charge nor did I say that… They knew early on that some of these issues should be reworked and there was room for improvement…. They choose not to address the issues and IMO thats bad customer service… Stain is right about only doing recall on issues like the Defective Arctic Cat team clutches that was put in a bulletin June 2017 some 2700 recalled and replaced but, a good number were never completed and done because people were still getting hurt.. They sure seem to take there time getting to fixing issues and no information sent to previous owners so they too can address them… No information bulletin, no admitting there could be a issue… How long would it take for them to just communicate? Not about free service, about fixing issues right …They don’t do this because it would increase claims under extended warranty claims ?? Is this why ? Or is this because they don’t want to tarnish the image? Just wondering? Like I said I like the chassis ….

 

[Yamascotty]

So.....
Any news on delivery of our spring order sleds ?