ADAPT Verses TAPP

[Upstater57]

Just got back from putting 130 more miles on today up on lake of the woods with the PB 80. Have to say I really like this clutch, years ago I ran one on a Machz 1000 and it really woke that thing up. Such steady, positive pull and smooth besides plus it's very quiet. I thought the adapt perform better than the team but I have to say this is a better performing clutch and better all around clutch than the other two...time will tell I guess. Just the weight difference between the two the adapt is a pound and a half heavier than the BP 80 the diameter of the PB 80 is a quarter inch larger also. The two problems I am having though are my alignment is off 3 mm can't seem to adjust the adapt secondary enough, after looking at different avenues I called STM they make shims for that Jack shaft so looking forward to getting them and the other problem is I need a shorter belt so I bought the redline which is a true inch and a half wide and a bit shorter but until I get the alignment right there's no way I can run that belt.
On a side note, I ended up doing some riding with the Arctic Cat test team so got to see the 858's in action, really impressed how hard they are pushing them seem to be holding up very well and their fuel mileage is incredible! Anyways, I asked about future four stroke in the new chassis of course they're not going to release much information other than if you like the motor you have in yours now, they said you're going to love this new motor and by the grins on their faces has me intrigued. I mentioned I sure hope it isn't some industrial motor pushing a ton of boost, it's an actual high performance engine, they said this one definitely is so let the speculation begin. lol

The old 1100 Suzuki ( AKA Anvil ) motor was a pretty good industrial motor. It did need lots of boost to make big power. Unless cat makes a wider front clip for the catalyst chassis, I don't think we will see a triple in the current chassis. I was looking at a cross country 858 up close last week and noted the new spider. I also noticed how low that new motor sits in the chassis. There will be lots of room for the turbo plumbing. I would however install a heavy duty blast shield under the bottom of the sled to protect the motor from rocks.

 

[Richard Hodgins]

I've put a Yamaha primary on a Cat. Worked well, but I felt the TEAM primary performs better with the Boss secondary.

I'm potentially interested in this option as well to replace my TEAM. SO no longer running this combo? It didnt work well?

 

[Fleecer]

Great question: My initial reasoning to running the Yamaha primary was because I had plenty of weights to tune the Yamaha primary. It worked well, but in my opinion the belt temps were higher than I liked when operating the sled spiritedly. I was using stock Yamaha weights with larger helix in the stock Team Boss. (I bought the sled used and it came with a larger helix.)

I came across a used set of Dalton weights at a reasonable price, and thought going this route would be the easiest and I could keep the big helix, as the Daltons are adjustable.

Having never run Team clutches, I'm happy with their performance. The takeoff/midrange seems better in my opinion, but the top end speeds do not remotely match the speeds acquired in Yamaha clutches. I've implemented some changes to the cat clutches, which I hope will bring better top speed, but ran out of snow/time to test.

Could the Yamaha primary be made to work? Yes, I believe it could, but I took the easier route based on the availability of parts and cost. I had to drill/tap a hole in the Boss secondary and utilize a bolt/locknut to set deflection, as the Yamaha does not have a bearing like the Team primary. Something to consider.

Strangely, it seems the belt temps are higher using cat clutches compared to Yamaha clutches, however belt life is better for some reason.

 

[Turboflash]

Here is some recent info on changes to ADAPT.

TECH INSIDER – DETAILS ON THE UPDATED 2025 ADAPT CLUTCH | ArcticInsider

www.arcticinsider.com

 

[Upstater57]

I was looking at this new adapt on an 858 this morning. With the wider rollers and the improvement to the tower/cover, I think this will be a better clutch. With wider weights maybe we won`t have wear pattern on the weights that we see with current set up.

 

[justinator]

Those changes only apply to the 858 I believe. The 2025 9000 clutch has a different part number but has the same spider as before. Hopefully take care of the erratic wear on the weights for the 2 strokes. Rollers and weights seem to wear normal on the 4 strokes. Biggest concern is the crappy cover from what ive seen.

 

[Upstater57]

Those changes only apply to the 858 I believe. The 2025 9000 clutch has a different part number but has the same spider as before. Hopefully take care of the erratic wear on the weights for the 2 strokes. Rollers and weights seem to wear normal on the 4 strokes. Biggest concern is the crappy cover from what ive seen.

Over time at least on the 998, we have seen a wear pattern on Dalton weights from normal use. My riding partner sent a set with about 4000 miles on them back to Dalton. They gave him another set at a ( prorated ) cost. I was thinking that the wider weights on a wider roller may show less wear. I agree that the cover was/is an issue. We will see how this newer clutch will work on the 998 over time. I would imagine Cat will charge too much for the "new and improved" ADAPT primary.

 

[stgdz]

Let's be realistic.


The 998 eats any and all clutches. I've got a pb90 this year and expect it to be done at about 3-4k miles. It sure is quiet.

 

[Upstater57]

Let's be realistic.


The 998 eats any and all clutches. I've got a pb90 this year and expect it to be done at about 3-4k miles. It sure is quiet.

I generally go through all wear items in my clutches every couple of seasons. Unless the sheaves crack, replacing a few parts is no big deal. Cost of doing business.

 

[Turboflash]

Let's be realistic.


The 998 eats any and all clutches. I've got a pb90 this year and expect it to be done at about 3-4k miles. It sure is quiet.

I guess I have to disagree. Were it not for cracking problem with Team, they would last and last. I serviced many Team primaries on sleds with 8-10,000 miles on them and the clutch was still great. All still original components. Spiders still nice and snug in towers, all rollers still great, weight bushings just fine. Basically negligable wear.
BUT, then there's the cracking problem so none of that matters.

 

[justinator]

reading the article it does not sound any of these changes apply to the 998 clutch, only the 858. The 2025 998 clutch has a different part number and oddly enough started out at over $800 and quickly was down to $350 on country cat for a few weeks and then is now back up to $719. This new part number for 998 clutch still has aluminum spider and same rollers ,cam arms etc as 24 and earlier clutch. There is no visible changes to the clutch, there has been atleast 3 or 4 different part numbers for the 998 clutch since the adapt was released. Unless they release a new version in the future for the 998 with steel spider we may never know how it works on the 998. I have not had any irregular wear on the adapt clutches or weights on my 2 riots. One has 4400ish miles and the other around 2500. I keep a close eye on them as I dissasemble and clean often but everything is very tight and smooth still and just as quiet as delivered. Billet cover installed from new.

 

[DooZ]

Did they not change the clutch because the 998 is going the way of the Dinosaur...extinct? Beefed up the clutch on the big twin 2 smoker because there's plans to turbo it? I'm assuming both are true.

 

[Turboflash]

reading the article it does not sound any of these changes apply to the 998 clutch, only the 858. The 2025 998 clutch has a different part number and oddly enough started out at over $800 and quickly was down to $350 on country cat for a few weeks and then is now back up to $719. This new part number for 998 clutch still has aluminum spider and same rollers ,cam arms etc as 24 and earlier clutch. There is no visible changes to the clutch, there has been atleast 3 or 4 different part numbers for the 998 clutch since the adapt was released. Unless they release a new version in the future for the 998 with steel spider we may never know how it works on the 998. I have not had any irregular wear on the adapt clutches or weights on my 2 riots. One has 4400ish miles and the other around 2500. I keep a close eye on them as I dissasemble and clean often but everything is very tight and smooth still and just as quiet as delivered. Billet cover installed from new.

Agree - I spoke with Country Cat on this and they said the updated steel spider clutch for now is only 858, not 998.
I'm running ADAPT on my 998 also and so far from a short winter last year it worked well and no signs of any wear.