AmsOil Vs. Yamalube

[SledFreak]

Did anyone notice that Yamaha's now offer a Full synthetic... They just released a whole slew of different oils for different conditions for sleds, motorcycles and ATV's. Goto a dealer and you will see a brocher on display for them. My dealer says there is so many, it's un-believable.

 

[**sj**]

someone elses product packaged for yamaha...wonder who?

 

[rehm70]

Amsoil the Holy Grail of oil???? I wore my fingers out explaining how I felt ANY synthetic oil is better than crude-based.

Thanks for the temps, RuppRider. The reason Amsoil was comparing against Yamalube, with the dry ice, is because it is truly business. Yamalube is a good, well respected oil in the four-stroke arena, and AMSOIL wants to break into that market.

Bypass filters have NOTHING to do with the choice or benefits of Amsoil in our trucks. No one, not even your Lord-In-Savior Mobil 1 makes a Heavy Duty Diesel oil that is 5w-30!!!!

The benefits of using Amsoil are self explanetary without even doing any research....look at the bottles.
NO OTHER OIL COMPANY pushes the envelope on viscosity like Amsoil. 5w-30 Diesel oil, 0w-30 engine oil(Mobil has taken 0w-30 out of mass circulation) and 0w-20.
Manufacturing the viscosity levels like they do tells the consumer that they use the finest basestocks and blending techniques to achieve that.

The 0-40 four stroke was out 4 years ago, and while my dealer was blowing smoke up my butt about not running it in my atv's, cuz it was "too slippery" I was enjoying easy starts @ 0' temps! The real problem with being "too slippery" was that some inferior synthetics were not Wet Clutch compatable, and it ruined the starter clutches. Amsoil did their homework and created a new market.

Look, we can use whatever oil we want, and as far as the smoke and mirrors comment, I just wish people would know a little bit more about things instead of immedietly dragging whatever is foreign to them through the mudd.
How 'bout telling us something valuable about the oil, or product any of us chooses to use instead of bashing something of which we know NOTHING about?

ROYAL PURPLE, as far as I know, is a decent-synthetic oil. They use alot of extreme-pressure additives that work well in differentials and gearcases, but I think is overkill and not needed as much as the anti-foaming, acid, and temperature breakdown additives needed in engine use.
My wife and I actually had dinner with two Royal Purple execs when we were on the 2004 Hot Rod Magazine Power Tour.
Nice guys with a Texas drawl!

BTW, the question of how Mobil 1 would do in our semi's with the bypass filters? I have an answer...............Not worth a damn. The friction loss of the 5-30 compared to a 15-40 is huge. Friction is heat, and sooner or later heat is wear. Also, saving .2mpg, when you get 6.8mpg to start with is huge. Multiply that over the 180,000miles that truck ran a year, @ $3 a gallon and you save over $2,200 a year in fuel!
To me, that is incredible.
We change my wife's oil once a year, and filter every quarter. That saves me from doing 9-11 oil changes a year over crude oil. That's another benefit of Amsoil.
She puts on alot of miles, so for us, the expensive Amsoil works well, for some who don't, others(like Mobil) will work just fine.

 

[**sj**]

my comment of Ams being "the holy grail" of oils was not meant to offend...so appologies.....and the "smoke and mirrors" was as a consumer how it seemed to me...again, I ran the pro 2000 race in my sled....they claimed more engine power to better ring seal...as a consumer seemed no better than klotz etc....
I just wonder why no oem engine manufacturer uses amsoil at the factory like mobil one?

and I see you are involved in motor racing..so maybe you are sponsored by amsoil...so a good product priced right...yeah I'd be on that..
I do see your point of the multi viscosities ....but most of your points related to your dads semi....and now your wifes auto...and if I ran a vehicle high mileage I would take advantage of the bypass extended life and oil analysis...
but we are talking of our sleds here....most run 1500-2000 miles a year.. and BASED ON THAT ALONE..
and the ease of accessablity and price of Mobil one.......
explains my thoughts...

Unless you can tell me why apples to apples for our specific application where amsoil is better?

 

[XDooMan]

Peoples, the "Demonstration Display" Amzoil uses in their Show Booth is just that. They are showing the extremes at which their products perform. In saying that, my question is not "will my snowmobile start when it's -78C", beacause I'm not even going outside. My block will be already cracked because my coolant is only good to -45C. The important thing we are all concerned with when it comes to selecting oil is Friction. How much does it decrease/protect/perform. All at a reasonable cost. Those tests are expensive, and are tough to demonstrate. An independant lab test, with a few popular brands would compare those results, which I think we all would love to see.

 

[87gtNOS]

How about MOTUL?? Well, not really a question, I use it in my bikes and sleds.

I run the 0W40 Motul SNOWPOWER 4T 100% Synthetic Ester based in the Apex....

I run 10W40 5100 ESTER 4T in the ZX14.

 

[87gtNOS]

Here's some oil testing sheets....sorry, some are hard to read. And yes, they're from year 2000, so I suppose some have changed.

 

[Metallicat]

Has anyone visited http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/?

Lots of good information here about motor oils

 

[SledderSteve]

A couple folks, you know who you are, either need to behave and play nice or take the discussion to PM's.

Otherwise, very interesting thread.

 

[87gtNOS]

A couple folks, you know who you are, either need to behave and play nice or take the discussion to PM's.

 

[Metallicat]

I still say check out this site! Their forums and forum archives have a TON of useful engine oil information. In fact, this site is dedicated specifically to 4 stroke engine oil! I switched from Mobil1 synthetic in my car to Penzoil Platinum due to the information on this site! Good information, and they do have a motorcycle forum (should apply to our sleds).

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/

I would like to hear others' comments after reading through the information here.

Thanks! Metallicat Mike

 

[fourload]

I've used both redline 5-20 and royal purple 5-20 with great results in my Apex GT for 2 years now. The motor turns over easily in -30f weather and seems to rev a little quicker too due to the lighter 20w rating when the motor is warm. They also make great gear oils too.

 

[**sj**]

I dont see anything wrong with some lively debating...after all it's all opinions...

:ORC

I personally learn a lot from posts like this and would like to thank those

who passionately defend their positions...

after all we have two things in common...we ride yamaha's

and love the TY forum!

 

[yves F 7]

Amsoil the Holy Grail of oil???? I wore my fingers out explaining how I felt ANY synthetic oil is better than crude-based.

Thanks for the temps, RuppRider. The reason Amsoil was comparing against Yamalube, with the dry ice, is because it is truly business. Yamalube is a good, well respected oil in the four-stroke arena, and AMSOIL wants to break into that market.

Bypass filters have NOTHING to do with the choice or benefits of Amsoil in our trucks. No one, not even your Lord-In-Savior Mobil 1 makes a Heavy Duty Diesel oil that is 5w-30!!!!

The benefits of using Amsoil are self explanetary without even doing any research....look at the bottles.
NO OTHER OIL COMPANY pushes the envelope on viscosity like Amsoil. 5w-30 Diesel oil, 0w-30 engine oil(Mobil has taken 0w-30 out of mass circulation) and 0w-20.
Manufacturing the viscosity levels like they do tells the consumer that they use the finest basestocks and blending techniques to achieve that.

The 0-40 four stroke was out 4 years ago, and while my dealer was blowing smoke up my butt about not running it in my atv's, cuz it was "too slippery" I was enjoying easy starts @ 0' temps! The real problem with being "too slippery" was that some inferior synthetics were not Wet Clutch compatable, and it ruined the starter clutches. Amsoil did their homework and created a new market.

Look, we can use whatever oil we want, and as far as the smoke and mirrors comment, I just wish people would know a little bit more about things instead of immedietly dragging whatever is foreign to them through the mudd.
How 'bout telling us something valuable about the oil, or product any of us chooses to use instead of bashing something of which we know NOTHING about?

ROYAL PURPLE, as far as I know, is a decent-synthetic oil. They use alot of extreme-pressure additives that work well in differentials and gearcases, but I think is overkill and not needed as much as the anti-foaming, acid, and temperature breakdown additives needed in engine use.
My wife and I actually had dinner with two Royal Purple execs when we were on the 2004 Hot Rod Magazine Power Tour.
Nice guys with a Texas drawl!

BTW, the question of how Mobil 1 would do in our semi's with the bypass filters? I have an answer...............Not worth a damn. The friction loss of the 5-30 compared to a 15-40 is huge. Friction is heat, and sooner or later heat is wear. Also, saving .2mpg, when you get 6.8mpg to start with is huge. Multiply that over the 180,000miles that truck ran a year, @ $3 a gallon and you save over $2,200 a year in fuel!
To me, that is incredible.
We change my wife's oil once a year, and filter every quarter. That saves me from doing 9-11 oil changes a year over crude oil. That's another benefit of Amsoil.
She puts on alot of miles, so for us, the expensive Amsoil works well, for some who don't, others(like Mobil) will work just fine.

I have used amsoil for over 20 years whit nothing bad to say about them,i bought the series 2000 0w30 for this winter,what do you think,will it be ok,i will put it in wen i reach 2 000 km which comes to about 1 200 milles.

 

[Daranello]

A couple folks, you know who you are, either need to behave and play nice or take the discussion to PM's.

Otherwise, very interesting thread.

Did I miss something???