scar said:
where to buy???
aVenture said:
Well, I think it probably is coincidence. I have three customers that use 20-50 in their Harleys, one, a 124" S&S motor, and he beats the TAR out of it, with no problems.
One Gentleman with the stock Hog noticed a 10 degree drop in his oil temp from Castrol non-syntheic, and 5 degrees from Mobil 1 w/Amsooil.
Considering it is an air/oil cooled motor, thats fairly big.
I don't think ANY oil, if changed at proper intervals and not ran hot, or excessive RPM's will ever be the blame of a part failure.
Kind of interesting, a farmer customer called me tonight, and told me he had finally used the grease I sold him.
He put it in the u-joints in his big Case IH articulating 4WD tractor. He said the vibration he felt while turning was gone since he had switched greases.
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I bought mine at a place in Canada called peavey mart.Go online to the amsoil website.There you will be able to find a dealer near you.You probably can have it sent right to your door cheaper than going out and buying it.These amsoil people are awesome.I found a dealer in Canada that will ship it to my door cheaper than going out and buying it.The amsoil people told me that Yamaha recommends the 0w30 and that they recommend the 0w30 to.Putting in the amsoil 4 stroke 0w40 is perfectly good to but its always safe to go with what the maker recommends.
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anyone try 0w-20?????
0-20
I don't know if I would run 0-20.
Us Amsoil dealers got a memo a few years ago when they introduced the the new oil as an alternative selection for Honda and Ford's requirement.
These oils were needed to meet the demands of the tighter clearances of a few models that were engineered to get low emmissions. I thicker viscosity was not recommended by Amsoil, and I think it was said that the manufacturer's would void the engine warranty if a thicker oil was used.
Amsoil warned us dealers about using this oil or selling this oil to customers with "conventional" engines, for the lack of high heat-breakdown protection from the thin oil. Low film strength, if I remember correctly.
If there are any other dealers who remember this, please correct me if I'm wrong.
This memo was from 3-4 years ago.
I don't know if I would run 0-20.
Us Amsoil dealers got a memo a few years ago when they introduced the the new oil as an alternative selection for Honda and Ford's requirement.
These oils were needed to meet the demands of the tighter clearances of a few models that were engineered to get low emmissions. I thicker viscosity was not recommended by Amsoil, and I think it was said that the manufacturer's would void the engine warranty if a thicker oil was used.
Amsoil warned us dealers about using this oil or selling this oil to customers with "conventional" engines, for the lack of high heat-breakdown protection from the thin oil. Low film strength, if I remember correctly.
If there are any other dealers who remember this, please correct me if I'm wrong.
This memo was from 3-4 years ago.
mobil one 0-20 is rated to 400 degrees protection..
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sj said:
Ratings are ratings.
Keep in mind, the advent of the 0-20 and 5-20 oils came from stricter emission and economy regulations in the automotive industry. That along with 'supposed' tighter tolerances are the reasons for the 20w oils.
If you were doing a dyno run and wanted a higher number, run the 0-20w or even just 0w!!!!
here's an interesting read on mobil one car vs motorcycle:
*snipped from the land of the internet*
Motorcycle Oil vs. Car Oil
Can I use Mobil 1 15W-50 in my bike, just like I use in my car? Mobil 1 is Mobil 1, right?
Mobil 1 for cars and Mobil 1 for motorcycles are markedly different. Every oil is a balance of benefits. Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic · Formula for cars has been developed specifically to satisfy car manufacturers' needs for increased fuel economy and low emissions.That's why new cars come with friction-modified, low-phosphorus 5W-30 motor oil. The low viscosity and the friction modifiers help fuel economy. The low phosphorus levels help protect catalytic converters.
So how is Mobil 1 for passenger cars different from Mobil 1 for motorcycles?
First, let's be clear about Mobil 1's overall benefits compared to those of conventional motor oils, whether for passenger cars or motorcycles:
Superior long-term engine protection.
Superior high-temperature stability.
Excellent low-temperature starting.
Outstanding engine performance.
Low volatility/low oil consumption.
It's a little hard to generalize about the difference between Mobil 1 passenger-car motor oils and Mobil 1 motorcycle oils. That's because not all viscosities of Mobil 1 passenger-car oils have the same levels of zinc and phosphorus, and there are even greater differences among the three Mobil 1 motorcycle oils. In general, Mobil 1 motorcycle oils have:
Different base stock systems.
Different additive packages.
Different formulations to meet very specific engine requirements.
What are the overall advantages of Mobil 1 motorcycle oils?
In addition to the overall benefits listed above · Especifically, high-temperature stability and low volatility/low oil consumption. · Mobil 1 synthetic motorcycle oils also offer superior anti-corrosion performance compared to conventional motor oil, which is important in many parts of the country where bikes may sit in garages for several months of the year.
Compared to conventional oils, Mobil 1 motorcycle oils have superior wear protection, engine cleanliness, high-temperature protection and lower oil consumption performance.
Once you get past these general advantages, you have to deal with each specific motorcycle oil one at a time to understand the benefits.
Okay. Let's start with Mobil 1 MX4T. What does it offer that Mobil 1 for cars doesn't?
Mobil 1 MX4T is designed for sport bikes. Most of these bikes have multi-cylinder/multi-valve engines and use a common sump, which means the engine oil lubricates the engine, transmission and wet clutch. So unlike Mobil 1 for cars, Mobil?1 MX4T has no friction modifiers, which could lead to clutch slippage.
The motorcycle oil also has more phosphorus/zinc for enhanced wear protection at high engine speeds and high loads. Remember, most bikes don't have catalytic converters, so higher levels of phosphorus are not a problem.
In addition, Mobil 1 MX4T uses different dispersant/detergent technology for better high-temperature performance and engine cleanliness. Mobil 1 MX4T is also offered in a different viscosity grade than Mobil 1 for passenger cars.
What about Mobil 1 V-Twin oil? How is that different from Mobil 1 for passenger cars?
Mobil 1 V-Twin oil is designed for air-cooled, large-displacement bikes. Because of their design, these engines can generate very high localized oil temperatures and high overall bulk-oil temperatures.
As you know, a typical air-cooled V-twin's rear cylinder gets a lot hotter than the front cylinder ·it's a matter of airflow. When it's hot out and you're stuck in traffic, the oil temperature in your bike climbs rapidly. Above about 250° F, conventional motor oil is going to break down. Mobil 1 V-Twin synthetic oil is good to above 300° F.
In addition, Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50 is a higher-viscosity grade than Mobil 1 15W-50 for passenger cars. And Mobil 1 V-Twin has no viscosity index improvers, so the oil is very "shear stable." Simply put, Mobil 1 V-Twin synthetic oil won't break down as readily as conventional oil.
Like Mobil 1 MX4T, Mobil 1 V-Twin has high levels of phosphorus/zinc and the same high-temperature detergent technology for superior wear protection and engine cleanliness, even at elevated oil temperatures.
With Mobil 1 V-Twin oil, you can go the full length of the manufacturer's recommended oil change intervals with ease.
And Mobil 1 MX2T for two-cycle engines? What's the advantage of using that?
First, you should never use an off-the-shelf four-cycle oil in a two-cycle bike. It can lead to severe engine problems. And much of what we've presented about Mobil?1 MX4T and Mobil 1 V-Twin oil does not apply. Two-cycle engines have unique needs, and so Mobil 1 MX2T has some very unique engineering. Mobil 1 MX2T:
.
Exceeds all U.S., European and Japanese standards for two-cycle oils.
Is specifically engineered to protect against piston scuffing and engine seizing.
Provides excellent high-temperature stability, which minimizes exhaust-port blockage and spark plug fouling.
Minimizes exhaust smoke.
Mobil 1 MX2T has a global racing pedigree, and offers the perfect balance of lubricity, engine cleanliness and low smoke for high-performance two-cycle applications.
The owner's manual says I should change the oil every 5,000 miles or once a year. I change my oil every 2,500 miles or twice a year. So why do I need that kind of protection?
For peace of mind and added protection. You pay a lot for a bike these days, so why risk running your engine in ordinary oil? Just like Mobil 1 synthetic oil for cars, Mobil 1 synthetic motorcycle oil helps keep your engine clean ·free from varnish and deposits ·and smooth running mile after mile, no matter what conditions you ride in.
Mobil 1 benefits engine life and performance. In fact, the lubrication capability of Mobil 1 motorcycle oil helps maintain peak horsepower and acceleration throughout the life of your engine. And with Mobil 1 you can go the full 5,000 miles between oil changes.
So, if you want to ride your bike long and hard and not be concerned about the oil, choose Mobil 1 motorcycle oil or any other *motorcycle specific* oil.
*snipped from the land of the internet*
Motorcycle Oil vs. Car Oil
Can I use Mobil 1 15W-50 in my bike, just like I use in my car? Mobil 1 is Mobil 1, right?
Mobil 1 for cars and Mobil 1 for motorcycles are markedly different. Every oil is a balance of benefits. Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic · Formula for cars has been developed specifically to satisfy car manufacturers' needs for increased fuel economy and low emissions.That's why new cars come with friction-modified, low-phosphorus 5W-30 motor oil. The low viscosity and the friction modifiers help fuel economy. The low phosphorus levels help protect catalytic converters.
So how is Mobil 1 for passenger cars different from Mobil 1 for motorcycles?
First, let's be clear about Mobil 1's overall benefits compared to those of conventional motor oils, whether for passenger cars or motorcycles:
Superior long-term engine protection.
Superior high-temperature stability.
Excellent low-temperature starting.
Outstanding engine performance.
Low volatility/low oil consumption.
It's a little hard to generalize about the difference between Mobil 1 passenger-car motor oils and Mobil 1 motorcycle oils. That's because not all viscosities of Mobil 1 passenger-car oils have the same levels of zinc and phosphorus, and there are even greater differences among the three Mobil 1 motorcycle oils. In general, Mobil 1 motorcycle oils have:
Different base stock systems.
Different additive packages.
Different formulations to meet very specific engine requirements.
What are the overall advantages of Mobil 1 motorcycle oils?
In addition to the overall benefits listed above · Especifically, high-temperature stability and low volatility/low oil consumption. · Mobil 1 synthetic motorcycle oils also offer superior anti-corrosion performance compared to conventional motor oil, which is important in many parts of the country where bikes may sit in garages for several months of the year.
Compared to conventional oils, Mobil 1 motorcycle oils have superior wear protection, engine cleanliness, high-temperature protection and lower oil consumption performance.
Once you get past these general advantages, you have to deal with each specific motorcycle oil one at a time to understand the benefits.
Okay. Let's start with Mobil 1 MX4T. What does it offer that Mobil 1 for cars doesn't?
Mobil 1 MX4T is designed for sport bikes. Most of these bikes have multi-cylinder/multi-valve engines and use a common sump, which means the engine oil lubricates the engine, transmission and wet clutch. So unlike Mobil 1 for cars, Mobil?1 MX4T has no friction modifiers, which could lead to clutch slippage.
The motorcycle oil also has more phosphorus/zinc for enhanced wear protection at high engine speeds and high loads. Remember, most bikes don't have catalytic converters, so higher levels of phosphorus are not a problem.
In addition, Mobil 1 MX4T uses different dispersant/detergent technology for better high-temperature performance and engine cleanliness. Mobil 1 MX4T is also offered in a different viscosity grade than Mobil 1 for passenger cars.
What about Mobil 1 V-Twin oil? How is that different from Mobil 1 for passenger cars?
Mobil 1 V-Twin oil is designed for air-cooled, large-displacement bikes. Because of their design, these engines can generate very high localized oil temperatures and high overall bulk-oil temperatures.
As you know, a typical air-cooled V-twin's rear cylinder gets a lot hotter than the front cylinder ·it's a matter of airflow. When it's hot out and you're stuck in traffic, the oil temperature in your bike climbs rapidly. Above about 250° F, conventional motor oil is going to break down. Mobil 1 V-Twin synthetic oil is good to above 300° F.
In addition, Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50 is a higher-viscosity grade than Mobil 1 15W-50 for passenger cars. And Mobil 1 V-Twin has no viscosity index improvers, so the oil is very "shear stable." Simply put, Mobil 1 V-Twin synthetic oil won't break down as readily as conventional oil.
Like Mobil 1 MX4T, Mobil 1 V-Twin has high levels of phosphorus/zinc and the same high-temperature detergent technology for superior wear protection and engine cleanliness, even at elevated oil temperatures.
With Mobil 1 V-Twin oil, you can go the full length of the manufacturer's recommended oil change intervals with ease.
And Mobil 1 MX2T for two-cycle engines? What's the advantage of using that?
First, you should never use an off-the-shelf four-cycle oil in a two-cycle bike. It can lead to severe engine problems. And much of what we've presented about Mobil?1 MX4T and Mobil 1 V-Twin oil does not apply. Two-cycle engines have unique needs, and so Mobil 1 MX2T has some very unique engineering. Mobil 1 MX2T:
.
Exceeds all U.S., European and Japanese standards for two-cycle oils.
Is specifically engineered to protect against piston scuffing and engine seizing.
Provides excellent high-temperature stability, which minimizes exhaust-port blockage and spark plug fouling.
Minimizes exhaust smoke.
Mobil 1 MX2T has a global racing pedigree, and offers the perfect balance of lubricity, engine cleanliness and low smoke for high-performance two-cycle applications.
The owner's manual says I should change the oil every 5,000 miles or once a year. I change my oil every 2,500 miles or twice a year. So why do I need that kind of protection?
For peace of mind and added protection. You pay a lot for a bike these days, so why risk running your engine in ordinary oil? Just like Mobil 1 synthetic oil for cars, Mobil 1 synthetic motorcycle oil helps keep your engine clean ·free from varnish and deposits ·and smooth running mile after mile, no matter what conditions you ride in.
Mobil 1 benefits engine life and performance. In fact, the lubrication capability of Mobil 1 motorcycle oil helps maintain peak horsepower and acceleration throughout the life of your engine. And with Mobil 1 you can go the full 5,000 miles between oil changes.
So, if you want to ride your bike long and hard and not be concerned about the oil, choose Mobil 1 motorcycle oil or any other *motorcycle specific* oil.
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I put well over 80K on my last 3 BMW bikes. 120K on my K75RT and never had any engine issues and I have never used anything but standard dino engine oil.
You can find the oil debate in tons of forums. Some can even get nasty which is kinda funny. Its so dependant on driving style, condition of the engine, state of engine tune, etc that without a controlled comparison it’s difficult to say what is better.
I put well over 80K on my last 3 BMW bikes. 120K on my K75RT and never had any engine issues and I have never used anything but standard dino engine oil.
You can find the oil debate in tons of forums. Some can even get nasty which is kinda funny. Its so dependant on driving style, condition of the engine, state of engine tune, etc that without a controlled comparison it’s difficult to say what is better.
what brand oil?
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