Apex/Attack weight loss

[Yamahnator]

He's from doo talk guys. In fact I could probably name who he is since he claimed he would come over here and be a dillwad. One of the reason's why I haven't replied to him.

You see they bashed the apex over there without even riding it. First the new riding position with doctored in photoshop. One of the idiots over there compared the long track with the RX-1 shorty in an "overlay" comparison to show that "there was really no change." The idiot had the lengths lined up exactly between the long and the shorty so it was completely out of scale.

A couple of us (former doo members included) pretty much took every one of their arguments and turned them around on them. They got angry and turned to the regular misinformed bashes telling us to go back to totallyyamaha. Well guess where this guy is from. Some random owner didn't just happen to hop on here =).

 

[RSV]

What long-track???? It's an '03,5 Blair Morgan and an APEX RTX (I believe). He later added a Crossfire to the picture, but didn't get the right proportions to that one...

 

[Yamahnator]

He later added a Crossfire to the picture, but didn't get the right proportions to that one...

Well at least you are admitting now that some were not the correct proportions. Before, it was a matter of throwing up any pic for comparison no matter what the dimensions and how the pic was taken. If you had bothered to read my post I said they tried a comparison between the old RX and the new Attack to "show they haven't changed much."

I'd have to figure out the measurements before I said that pic you just posted was close to being correct. Either way they've lowered the seat for the 06's. Does that mean that the Apex is going to sit taller than the new models? Having a taller seat makes the rider sit forward more.

 

[jtssrx]

Mark Boncher "High Powered Handlers " right up



In this right up you compaired the Mach Z to The Apex RTX. You made the statement "The tight cornering ability of the Mach is also a step above the Apex". Are you saying the Mach holds a better line then the apex on a tight turn or are you saying the Mach has a better Turning radious?



thank you

Jason

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07-28-2005, 5:06 PM
skidoo09


Joined on 07-28-2005
Portage wi
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Both. Faster too!



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07-28-2005, 5:19 PM
jtssrx


Joined on 07-27-2005
New Baltimore
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Thanks



Typical



I see new site same ***

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07-29-2005, 10:04 AM
mboncher


Joined on 07-27-2005
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Re: Mark Boncher "High Powered Handlers " right up

jtssrx,
Yes, the Mach holds a line - at high speeds - a bit better than the Apex, in my opinion. (you've really got to put them through the paces to see the difference though.)
Turning radii are comparable, but I felt the Apex is an easier turn. Both are incredible sleds and the riding position of the new Apex is incredibly comfortable.
You just can't deny the Ferrari like performance of the Mach Z though. Man, that thing is fast for a stocker!

Mark Boncher
Associate Editor American Snowmobiler

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07-29-2005, 10:58 AM
jtssrx


Joined on 07-27-2005
New Baltimore
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Marc thank you for the quick reply. The new Site Rocks!!!!!

If you had to guess would you say the addition of a better ski, say a C&A Pro would remidy this issue on the apex?

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07-29-2005, 12:26 PM
mboncher


Joined on 07-27-2005
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jtssrx,
I don't want anyone to think there is a problem with the Apex ski, it works very well. That said, possible trials with different set-ups and aftermarket skis may certainly prove to enhance cornering at high speeds.

Obviously everyone is going to set their sled up differently for their riding style.
Personally, if this were my sled, would stud it (the ripsaw doesn't really need it for take-off, but I am kind of a safety first guy and like to be able to stop quickly even on ice) and then go with the more aggressive carbide length. I would do this as a starting point.
I usually play around with studding and carbide lengths on sleds to see what works best before going straight to trying out other aftermarket products.

Mark B.

p.s. Thanks for the feedback on the new site... we've been working hard on this thing and we are happy it turned out so well!

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07-29-2005, 1:39 PM
jtssrx


Joined on 07-27-2005
New Baltimore
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Marc

I'm getting an 06 Attack. I will be adding an aftermarket Ski "C&A PRo or a Slydog". I will post my results in the Yamaha forum.





Thanks for the quick replys, you guys are doing a great job!!!

jtssrx

I like how you only posted his first reply. Go to doo talk if you want to be a trouble maker. I think your afraid of the Apex if the true was known!!!

 

[RSV]

Well at least you are admitting now that some were not the correct proportions. Before, it was a matter of throwing up any pic for comparison no matter what the dimensions and how the pic was taken. If you had bothered to read my post I said they tried a comparison between the old RX and the new Attack to "show they haven't changed much."

I haven't seen any oyher than this picture on DooTalk, so maybe I misunderstood what picture you were tailking about...
But what is up with "I'm admitting now....."? I've NEVER responded to either you or this thread before. Relax man, take a pill! It's only August... Jeees.... :shock:

 

[Yamahnator]

You seem to be worked up. I have yet to reply to the doo lovers. You know they're nervous when they start coming over here and bashing. I only replied to you because you jumped on the defensive =)

 

[APEX 21]

skidoo9/10, BARRY STAY ON YOUR OWN DOO SITE. I obviously got your attention with my old 03 RX-1. What are you going to say about my APEX. Tell the truth. I put on 4,500mi last year. YOU COULD NOT MAKE 1 TRIP WITHOUT PROBLEMS ON YOUR Z. yes the z is fast, but I like going farther than 1/4 mi.

 

[Yamahnator]

Ouch...

 

[welterracer]

Well Yamanator, I'm not REV Happy, but I'm not biased like you are to Yamaha. I try to give an honest opinion, through my 25 years of riding experience. I only drove 2 RX-1's and I did not like them at all. An 03 and an 04. In fact and I believe most of the Yamaha guys would say the same compared to the 05 RX-1's. I love the feel of the Apex, but still didn'nt like the feel of the 05 RX-1. You sit so low on it, I felt like I could barely see over the dash. They just did not have the feel that I needed in a sled. Now back to the fuel issues. Yes, even on a light weight sled, it's pretty much impossible to tell the difference in from 1/2 tank to a full tank, but from a full tank to a 1/4 to almost empty is noticeable. You state that your R-1 comes up a little quicker. Well, I know in my previously owned sleds, I could tell when the fuel had burned out and the sled was a little more nimble when accelerating hard on it for a long time at high speed runs through the trail. It took alot less effort to have the front end come up. Sensitivity is not an issue with me. Just quit the BS and give the facts straight and instead of trying to plant your own thoughts into everyone elses heads, just because you think you know all of the answers. Quit being some damn biased and open your mind a little. All sled do have some good qualities coming from each of the Manufactures, but they are all not perfect and all have their quirkes.

I am not totally convinced you will love your GT.... IF you didnt like the 05 RX-1!

At last years TY ride in the U.P. I rode both the 05 RX-1 and RS vector and you could tell the vector handled way better than the Rx did but the rx rode a little bit better than the RS..

I compared the ride and handling to my highly modified 04 Rx warrior and the RS handled maybe slightly better than my sled but the standard RX did not handle even close to my sled.. ( i had C@A skis and 13mm swaybar) BOth sleds rode better than my warrior!

The 06 apex is basically a 05 rx-1 with the RS vector front suspension and the handlebars moved forward and up.. ( i had 1.5 inch riser on my warrior and the handle bars were adjust as far forward as they could go without making contact to the windshield)

The one thing i noticed on my RX is that the farthur forward you sat and leaned the better tha sled handled...

If you didnt like the 05 RX with the monshock how could you like the Apex?

The biggest thing that has kept me to yamaha is the durabiltiy of the sled..and the gas milage..

3700 miles in the last two years on my second Warrior with no problems what so ever... I cannot say the same for my friends who ride polaris and Cat... (two blown motors and exploded track and blown clutch)

I had 3200 miles on my 02 viper with only problem being a broken pull cord at 400 miles that was covered under warranty! and never broke again!

 

[impalapower]

Brian, the Apex rides easier than the Vector and seemed to be more nimble than it too. I couldn't believe the change in that sled.

 

[welterracer]

Everyone told me how great the Warrior handled too back before i ordered one...and once i got it i was highly disappoioted in how poorly it handled..( haveing prevously owned a VIPER)

After some C@A skis and 13mm swaybar and alot of suspension tuning it was night and day difference and i fell in love with it.. Hense why i bought a second one after i crashed the first one.

I guess i will be the true judge of it once i ride it!

I really hope it is as great as everyone raves about... i hope i dont have to stick $500 into the GT to make it handle the way i want..

It will still be a great sled regardles of how it rides or handles becaue it is a fourstroke..