ATTENTION TO EVERYONE

[srvfan]

I don't know what you guys are talking about I've got over 1500 miles on my slides in terrable condition and they still have life left on them????? the rear shock is a P.O.S. but I've had 0 issues no broken welds and it's been slamned along our bumpy icy trails this year , I'm only 175 though . Say a friend who must be 300 totaly destroy a ZR rear skid then curse the whole sled out . I thought the thing was fine but his rails where constantly on the bump stops which just trashed the thing.

 

[twomorestrokes]

I don't know what you guys are talking about I've got over 1500 miles on my slides in terrable condition and they still have life left on them????? the rear shock is a P.O.S. but I've had 0 issues no broken welds and it's been slamned along our bumpy icy trails this year , I'm only 175 though . Say a friend who must be 300 totaly destroy a ZR rear skid then curse the whole sled out . I thought the thing was fine but his rails where constantly on the bump stops which just trashed the thing.

Shhh. Don't let them hear you talking about the sled in a positive note srv.

I agree totally. The only real issue I have had with this sled is the rear shock, and it was "usable" for me for the first season. The only skid that I've personally seen come unglued and destroy itself this season was on the Pro X that was struggling to keep ahead of me in the ditches a few weeks ago. It happens sometimes when you beat on these things.

 

[Bob Miller]

Hey Pimp,
I believe your 05 Rage has a Pro Action like my 04 Warrior. Here is something I wrote last April concerning the "W" Arm:

Yamaha, I hope your listening. I recently removed the rear skid from my 04 Warrior to do a complete inspection and preventive maintenance.
I do all my own mechanical work and I've been a Welder, Fabricator for 25 years with 17 certifications.
Upon inspecting the "INFAMOUS W-ARM" I found this: At first I looked it over and said to myself; this looks like a pretty well designed unit and found it hard to believe that they where breaking on so many people!
At first glance it looked to me like there was nothing wrong with mine, but then upon closer inspection I found this: on the cross member which has the loops that the limiter straps go through, on one of the inside corner welds, at the edge of the weld, a crack was starting Upon inspecting all of the other inside welds I noticed this: They where all UNDERCUT WELDS! What does this mean? Ideally you want your bead (weld) to mound outward, because when a weld is done properly it is stronger than the base metal! But these undercut welds are inverted like a "U" and the edge of the weld on both sides of the weld is gouging into the tubing and the cross member, effectively weakening it, thinning the metal at these points down to as much as 1/32". As you ride your machine the weakest link is now these undercut welds and it is just a matter of time!
I personally think that if proper welds where done at these critical points that there would no longer be any problems with these W-ARM's. I Arc Welded mine, now Yamaha it's time to fess up and admit you made a mistake, and make it right for all your loyal customers!

 

[Tfin]

Maybe it is abrasive snow in Quebec or the way they groom the trails. I have talked to many RS owners while in Quebec and all have the same hyfax issues. Some guys on Ventures were only getting several hundred miles with dealer setup sleds. My Vector wore a set to paper thin in 750 miles. The Doo that was riding with me had 0 wear. I know you love to brag on Yamaha,but they missed the boat on these issues.

Don't you get it Jerry?? THese sleds are PERFECT. Hyfax wear? Wheel problems? Stator problems? TORS problems? Junk shock?? Cold ride? Harsh ride? Worthless windshields?? Handlebar heaters that barely work?? I know I'm missing somethings...

Jerry..these problems are all yours and everybodys elses imagination! Take it from the Yamaha Internet Promotion Team! THEY KNOW!

Well its about time you came around......I was begining to wonder how you were able to resist our Vulcan Yamaha mind grip. We can't let these conspiracy theories of yours getting out. 8)

 

[welterracer]

Hey Pimp,
I believe your 05 Rage has a Pro Action like my 04 Warrior. Here is something I wrote last April concerning the "W" Arm:

Yamaha, I hope your listening. I recently removed the rear skid from my 04 Warrior to do a complete inspection and preventive maintenance.
I do all my own mechanical work and I've been a Welder, Fabricator for 25 years with 17 certifications.
Upon inspecting the "INFAMOUS W-ARM" I found this: At first I looked it over and said to myself; this looks like a pretty well designed unit and found it hard to believe that they where breaking on so many people!
At first glance it looked to me like there was nothing wrong with mine, but then upon closer inspection I found this: on the cross member which has the loops that the limiter straps go through, on one of the inside corner welds, at the edge of the weld, a crack was starting Upon inspecting all of the other inside welds I noticed this: They where all UNDERCUT WELDS! What does this mean? Ideally you want your bead (weld) to mound outward, because when a weld is done properly it is stronger than the base metal! But these undercut welds are inverted like a "U" and the edge of the weld on both sides of the weld is gouging into the tubing and the cross member, effectively weakening it, thinning the metal at these points down to as much as 1/32". As you ride your machine the weakest link is now these undercut welds and it is just a matter of time!
I personally think that if proper welds where done at these critical points that there would no longer be any problems with these W-ARM's. I Arc Welded mine, now Yamaha it's time to fess up and admit you made a mistake, and make it right for all your loyal customers!

Bob..

My brother is riding my old 04 Rx warrior.. Its got over 4200 miles onit and the only thing ive done to it is SLIDERS and Oil changes.. Rear shock and rear skid is O.K..... (just proof they are not all bad) My buddy did break the W arm on his SRX but they that wasnt exaclty a great riding sled to begin with !

 

[Groomerdriver]

Maybe it is abrasive snow in Quebec or the way they groom the trails. I have talked to many RS owners while in Quebec and all have the same hyfax issues. Some guys on Ventures were only getting several hundred miles with dealer setup sleds. My Vector wore a set to paper thin in 750 miles. The Doo that was riding with me had 0 wear. I know you love to brag on Yamaha,but they missed the boat on these issues.

Don't you get it Jerry?? THese sleds are PERFECT. Hyfax wear? Wheel problems? Stator problems? TORS problems? Junk shock?? Cold ride? Harsh ride? Worthless windshields?? Handlebar heaters that barely work?? I know I'm missing somethings...

Jerry..these problems are all yours and everybodys elses imagination! Take it from the Yamaha Internet Promotion Team! THEY KNOW!

Well its about time you came around......I was begining to wonder how you were able to resist our Vulcan Yamaha mind grip. We can't let these conspiracy theories of yours getting out. 8)

It was just a matter of time I know!!!!!

 

[NY_Nytro]

Maybe it is abrasive snow in Quebec or the way they groom the trails. I have talked to many RS owners while in Quebec and all have the same hyfax issues. Some guys on Ventures were only getting several hundred miles with dealer setup sleds. My Vector wore a set to paper thin in 750 miles. The Doo that was riding with me had 0 wear. I know you love to brag on Yamaha,but they missed the boat on these issues.

I've been red, green & blue and EVERY BRAND has issues. Go to DooTalk and you'll see Ski-Doo problems, go to Arcticchat and you'll see Cat problems. But post on either of these two sites and point out the problems and the brand faithfull will hammer you. The people on this site and other sites tend to be the fanatic snowmobilers. I would assume we tend to ride more and ride harder than the average Joe and we are just a small fraction of the total snowmobile population. Human nature has always shown people with problems will voice there complaints more often then problem free people will voice their praise.

My ZR900 was prone to crank twisting if the belt blew at high speed, and the suspension was so soft for my massive 175lb frame that I had to order heavier springs and my ACT shocks would fade and lose their charge in less than a season. I loved that sled.

My buddies 06 Mach Z eats hifax, left handwarmer quit and still fouls plugs. He loves it.

My buddies 05 F7 Snopro had his speedo cluster fail twice his first year, ice constantly forms under his seat and blew 3 belts his first year. He love its.

My bro-in-laws 05 T660 ST is on it's 3rd set of hifax, his primary clutch cracked and his hood melted from poor exhaust routing or shielding. And he loves it.

 

[jerry106]

Maybe it is abrasive snow in Quebec or the way they groom the trails. I have talked to many RS owners while in Quebec and all have the same hyfax issues. Some guys on Ventures were only getting several hundred miles with dealer setup sleds. My Vector wore a set to paper thin in 750 miles. The Doo that was riding with me had 0 wear. I know you love to brag on Yamaha,but they missed the boat on these issues.

I've been red, green & blue and EVERY BRAND has issues. Go to DooTalk and you'll see Ski-Doo problems, go to Arcticchat and you'll see Cat problems. But post on either of these two sites and point out the problems and the brand faithfull will hammer you. The people on this site and other sites tend to be the fanatic snowmobilers. I would assume we tend to ride more and ride harder than the average Joe and we are just a small fraction of the total snowmobile population. Human nature has always shown people with problems will voice there complaints more often then problem free people will voice their praise.

My ZR900 was prone to crank twisting if the belt blew at high speed, and the suspension was so soft for my massive 175lb frame that I had to order heavier springs and my ACT shocks would fade and lose their charge in less than a season. I loved that sled.

My buddies 06 Mach Z eats hifax, left handwarmer quit and still fouls plugs. He loves it.

My buddies 05 F7 Snopro had his speedo cluster fail twice his first year, ice constantly forms under his seat and blew 3 belts his first year. He love its.

My bro-in-laws 05 T660 ST is on it's 3rd set of hifax, his primary clutch cracked and his hood melted from poor exhaust routing or shielding. And he loves it.

I am not sure what your point is , but all the mfgs. will be happy to know that they can sell you guys sleds with 1/2 done engineering and you'll pay to be the test riders. I must be expecting too much to buy a sled that the slides last for a whole trip.

 

[NY_Nytro]

My point was when you point out a problem on a particular sled and act like the other brands are trouble free is bull. Every brand has problems some models more than others and some years more than others.

 

[novarossi]

I am not sure what your point is , but all the mfgs. will be happy to know that they can sell you guys sleds with 1/2 done engineering and you'll pay to be the test riders. I must be expecting too much to buy a sled that the slides last for a whole trip.

I wish I lived in your world, sounds perfect. Since you seem to think there are no competent sled builders out there at this point, why not start your own lineup for 08. You could call them the JerryRigg.

 

[jerry106]

I am not sure what your point is , but all the mfgs. will be happy to know that they can sell you guys sleds with 1/2 done engineering and you'll pay to be the test riders. I must be expecting too much to buy a sled that the slides last for a whole trip.

I wish I lived in your world, sounds perfect. Since you seem to think there are no competent sled builders out there at this point, why not start your own lineup for 08. You could call them the JerryRigg.

Not sure what sparked your smart a--ed reply but the mfgs. will be happy to know you also are willing to buy unperfected models.
Your right when I buy a product I do expect it to be perfect. If it is not, I expect it to be fixed . I never said that Yamaha was the only sled with problems. All the mfgs. are guilty of releasing untested products and then not correcting the problems.
Maybe Honda will do better.

 

[twomorestrokes]

No such thing as a perfect sled.

But you're right, it will be very interesting to see how Honda fares in the sled market.

 

[jerry106]

Agreed there is no perfect sled.
What I was referring to was that the purpose it was built for should not have flaws i.e. If I buy a RevX or Apex I would expect to freeze my butt off but I would not expect a grenade motor or hand warmers that do not work.
I guess all the mfgs are releasing new models to stay ahead of each other without enough testing.
I can think of at least 4 sleds I had in the mid to lates 1990's that had 0 issues and were never back to the dealer for anything. All sleds of any mfg. I have had since 2001 (except one) have been in numerous times for various (what I would describe as poor design) problems.
I would like to try the all new Cat Jag next year to see how it compares to my Vector. All new sled from Cat ! I think I will pass.

 

[twomorestrokes]

Older sleds had much less to go wrong. My '98 600 had absolutely zero problems and it never returned to the dealer for anything. I even skipped the recall, as it was easy enough to check the torque on the brake line fittings myself, and they were tight.

It also rode like crap, had almost no suspension travel, and the "state of the art" ergos at the time are somewhat archaic now. The more demands we place from the manufacturers, (plush ride, etc) the more there is to go wrong, especially first year model runs. Now competitors are offering headed seats, on board communication, etc. Neat.

 

[4Fighter]

Hey Pimp,
I believe your 05 Rage has a Pro Action like my 04 Warrior. Here is something I wrote last April concerning the "W" Arm:

Yamaha, I hope your listening. I recently removed the rear skid from my 04 Warrior to do a complete inspection and preventive maintenance.
I do all my own mechanical work and I've been a Welder, Fabricator for 25 years with 17 certifications.
Upon inspecting the "INFAMOUS W-ARM" I found this: At first I looked it over and said to myself; this looks like a pretty well designed unit and found it hard to believe that they where breaking on so many people!
At first glance it looked to me like there was nothing wrong with mine, but then upon closer inspection I found this: on the cross member which has the loops that the limiter straps go through, on one of the inside corner welds, at the edge of the weld, a crack was starting Upon inspecting all of the other inside welds I noticed this: They where all UNDERCUT WELDS! What does this mean? Ideally you want your bead (weld) to mound outward, because when a weld is done properly it is stronger than the base metal! But these undercut welds are inverted like a "U" and the edge of the weld on both sides of the weld is gouging into the tubing and the cross member, effectively weakening it, thinning the metal at these points down to as much as 1/32". As you ride your machine the weakest link is now these undercut welds and it is just a matter of time!
I personally think that if proper welds where done at these critical points that there would no longer be any problems with these W-ARM's. I Arc Welded mine, now Yamaha it's time to fess up and admit you made a mistake, and make it right for all your loyal customers!

Bob..

My brother is riding my old 04 Rx warrior.. Its got over 4200 miles onit and the only thing ive done to it is SLIDERS and Oil changes.. Rear shock and rear skid is O.K..... (just proof they are not all bad) My buddy did break the W arm on his SRX but they that wasnt exaclty a great riding sled to begin with !

2 Broken W-arms in the first two seasons is EXACTLY why I have an Expert-X on my RX-1.

http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php? ... light=warm

Maybe not all of them are bad, but there is certainly enough of them, and that is only the handful who bothered to answer the poll. I'd really like to see the actual count on the number of pivot arms that have been sold since 2003, as there are countless others out there who have yet to discover this forum.