Took off at 8 am to 433 to trail 8 to Munising from there went to Christmas then south on 411 to 2 east to Manistiqu. then headed north to trail 8 thats when trils went crap at 3:30 pm heading towards grand marais. Came back to seney on 431 not as bad as 8 was had to stand up to ride trail 8.