Beware of less than comparable copies...

[cannondale27]

I still believe most people would still buy the original as long as it is comparable in quality and price and they know the part is the original.Thats the tricky part.You need to advertise it as the "Original".As for that company actually using the OFT name in their advertising I just cant believe they do that.A persons name or business name is everything.Would have a very hard time restraining myself.Because of that I believe this is one of those rare cases where they honestly deserve to have their butts sued.I thought Europe took defamation real serious?

 

[Mountaintech]

Patents and patents pending are no guarantees either. Changes to designs can be made to get around things. Even if it is a blatant copy, small companies with limited resources have a hard time going down the "legal" road.

 

[Jakelfin]

Re: relocater

competition is always good for the end users, it keeps quality and pricing in check

I can agree that 100%.
Things that can be done easily and doesnt need rocket cientist to be done are in my opinion fair to copy. If people ask things frequently and these things are hard to get so why not make own version of it? I think we would have really poor and really pricy product lines if every product are made just by one manufacturer. I think it even has a name, communism.. Here is one finnish version of aftermarket business, Bling Factory. Most of products are made from customers will/drawings, so copycats can be seen, is that good or what, everyone can judge that by themselves. I have bought things from there too, it is naturally by far simpler to buy and faster delivery from here homeland than overseas, also quality of every part is phenomenal, really! Whole bling part business has grown only from customers needs. They made things that can only be ordered from overseas, not even near everyone doesnt speak/read english so they just see pics from net and "american snowmobiler" magazines etc.. But you maybe understand that most of people here dont even know what is oft and many other aftermarket companies and even all aftermarket business around sleds is just new thing in here scandinavia. Real copying is not good, if someone makes things that are real copies and sold by under someones product/name or something look-a-like (u know adidos/rolox/bmw...oops.. ) are of course against law.

 

[scmurs]

Re: relocater

Things that can be done easily and doesnt need rocket cientist to be done are in my opinion fair to copy.

I'm guessing that your opinion would be different if you had put your time, money and effort in to developing your own product only to have it blatantly copied. When they use our name in their advertising to sell their sub-standard copies, what does that say?

If people ask things frequently and these things are hard to get so why not make own version of it? I think we would have really poor and really pricy product lines if every product are made just by one manufacturer. I think it even has a name, communism..

We are not communists and do not make "poor" products and they are readily available here:

OFT Relocator

Most of products are made from customers will/drawings, so copycats can be seen, is that good or what, everyone can judge that by themselves.

This is an interesting business model. What happens when there is no one else to copy? For example, the US and Canadian market stops selling their product overseas, who will they copy then? Will they actually have to think for themselves?

I have bought things from there too, it is naturally by far simpler to buy and faster delivery from here homeland than overseas.

How is it simpler? The web makes product very easy for anyone to buy. You chose to buy a copy, put money in the offenders pocket and took it out of the hands of the company that originally came up with said product.

Real copying is not good, if someone makes things that are real copies and sold by under someones product/name or something look-a-like (u know adidos/rolox/bmw...oops.. ) are of course against law.

Guessing that the law means little, if anything, to Fräsdornsspecialisten ( the copier, think Xerox ).

Whole bling part business has grown only from customers needs. They made things that can only be ordered from overseas, not even near everyone doesnt speak/read english so they just see pics from net and "american snowmobiler" magazines etc..

You have verified it, integrity is dead, please see challenge below.

But you maybe understand that most of people here dont even know what is oft and many other aftermarket companies and even all aftermarket business around sleds is just new thing in here scandinavia.

So, here is my challenge to Billet-X:

Come up with your own ideas. Build the "better mouse trap" yourself. I'd have a he!! of a lot more respect for someone if they innovated rather than copying.

Are you up for it Billet-X?

Good luck...

 

[Mountaintech]

Re: relocater

competition is always good for the end users, it keeps quality and pricing in check

I can agree that 100%.
Things that can be done easily and doesnt need rocket cientist to be done are in my opinion fair to copy. If people ask things frequently and these things are hard to get so why not make own version of it? I think we would have really poor and really pricy product lines if every product are made just by one manufacturer. I think it even has a name, communism.. Here is one finnish version of aftermarket business, Bling Factory. Most of products are made from customers will/drawings, so copycats can be seen, is that good or what, everyone can judge that by themselves. I have bought things from there too, it is naturally by far simpler to buy and faster delivery from here homeland than overseas, also quality of every part is phenomenal, really! Whole bling part business has grown only from customers needs. They made things that can only be ordered from overseas, not even near everyone doesnt speak/read english so they just see pics from net and "american snowmobiler" magazines etc.. But you maybe understand that most of people here dont even know what is oft and many other aftermarket companies and even all aftermarket business around sleds is just new thing in here scandinavia. Real copying is not good, if someone makes things that are real copies and sold by under someones product/name or something look-a-like (u know adidos/rolox/bmw...oops.. ) are of course against law.

I can not disagree with you more. A blatant copy of someone else's original idea is just morally wrong. Karma will catch up with those kinds of people.

 

[Bamboo]

Re: relocater

I can not disagree with you more. A blatant copy of someone else's original idea is just morally wrong. Karma will catch up with those kinds of people.

I had my "wildchild" steering relocate long before OFT was around. Who's coping who???

 

[Mountaintech]

Re: relocater

I can not disagree with you more. A blatant copy of someone else's original idea is just morally wrong. Karma will catch up with those kinds of people.

I had my "wildchild" steering relocate long before OFT was around. Who's coping who???

I said blatant copy. And by that I also meant identical. There is more than one way to skin a cat so to speak, but when someone takes your interpretation and just copies it..........GM doesn't care I build a car, but if I copy a Corvette you can bet things would be different.

 

[Nikolai]

Re: relocater

I can not disagree with you more. A blatant copy of someone else's original idea is just morally wrong. Karma will catch up with those kinds of people.

I had my "wildchild" steering relocate long before OFT was around. Who's coping who???

I had one of the first wildchild setups as well which I sold and replaced with the OFT. They're the same idea but far from the same product.

I don't see anyone bashing Z-Broz for copying Skinz forward swept a-arms.

 

[scmurs]

Re: relocater

I had my "wildchild" steering relocate long before OFT was around. Who's coping who???

Bamboo,

If you can see any resemblance between the parts in the next two pictures, please mail me some of what you have...

Like I said earlier, build the better mouse trap.

 

[Mountaintech]

Re: relocater

I had my "wildchild" steering relocate long before OFT was around. Who's coping who???

Bamboo,

If you can see any resemblance between the parts in the next two pictures, please mail me some of what you have...

Like I said earlier, build the better mouse trap.

Well said.......and shown. Wouldn't want to be the mouse in your shop!!

 

[rlcofmn]

Re: relocater

I can not disagree with you more. A blatant copy of someone else's original idea is just morally wrong. Karma will catch up with those kinds of people.

I had my "wildchild" steering relocate long before OFT was around. Who's coping who???

Come on now, lets be serious here. That's one of the most ignorent statements I've seen.

As Nikolai said, I've had them both as well. No comparison in the quality.

 

[rlcofmn]

Re: relocater

I had my "wildchild" steering relocate long before OFT was around. Who's coping who???

Bamboo,

If you can see any resemblance between the parts in the next two pictures, please mail me some of what you have...

Like I said earlier, build the better mouse trap.

Well said.......and shown. Wouldn't want to be the mouse in your shop!!

X2, well played Scott

 

[Bamboo]

Yup your all right, this could go round and round and round. Your all talking "design" I'm talking "function" Funny I thought snowest was bad. Sheesh. Seems you can't say anything anymore without ruffling some feathers.

 

[rlcofmn]

Yup your all right, this could go round and round and round. Your all talking "design" I'm talking "function" Funny I thought snowest was bad. Sheesh. Seems you can't say anything anymore without ruffling some feathers.

Lets talk function then, how are your plastic post bushings "functionally" compared to the oilites in OFT's. Worn out and sloppy after a couple years, or built to outlast the sled?

 

[clatla]

Sheesh. Seems you can't say anything anymore without ruffling some feathers.

You can say what ever you like just be ready to be called on the carpet for it!