Yamahnator
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I'm close to 400 miles now on my Attak. The thing rails and it just wants to get up and go. Went up to "The Hill" today and the Attak took the bumps like a champ. I bottomed only twice that I can remember all day and stayed out ahead. We'd gone a few weeks ago and on the North South Rd. between the resovoirs it was crater city (as usual for that section of trail). I passed the guy on the Rev 800 and caught up to the guy on the Rev 440. He finally pulled over and was suprised to see me there cause he figured he was WAY ahead of everyone else. Same thing today the sled just handles the chop real nice. I don't expect it to not beat me up more than the 440, that's what that sled is for but I could tell my friend was a little frustrated when I'd blow by him on the trail and still kept up with him in the rough (which he says his sled is made for).
Couple things I have to get used to though. I still flinch every now and then when I come up on some big ones and let off the gas (from my RX heh). With the "engine braking" (cured by different clutch setups from what I see) it was like hitting the brake which makes the nose dive. Was much better when I'd just skip the thing over and hit the next. Also I think I'm going to get the bigger spring since I'm currently like 245 with gear. The sled takes the bumps like I want with very little bottoming but the rebound (even at full hard on the adjuster) at times is too much. I have it on the 3rd clip, something like the 4th or 5th position. I'm suprised how mild mannered the thing is in the corners. I was afraid of pushing in the corners because of the longer track. It handles like the fronts glued to the trail. So far handwarmers have stayed on the low settings for the most part and my wheels still look good.
Now for the complaints. I'm glad my sled can take the bumps but I like stretching out its legs a bit and sweeping in the corners. And especially when the wives are with us it'd be NICE to actually see a groomer now and then other than idling in the parking lot for 3 hours. Now don't get me wrong, there are some stretches and clubs on the edges of "The Hill" that always keep their trails up and are very nice to ride. I don't mind when those get bad occassionally because often they are clubs that have some great volunteers and put a lot of time into our trail systems with little to no thanks. (Everyone should join a club) But when I see how much money some of these places are raking and then seeing the groomer parked in the lot with snow all around it (ie hasn't been moved) idling... That's BS. Especially since they seem to get more support from the state than the little guys (at least their equipment is better).
So we stop at the Timberview (hey whatya know a groomer sitting) for lunch and no joke it takes an hour and a half to get freakin cheeseburgers. And then they're cold. More and more it seems that some of the places up there really don't care anymore about service or the people that pay their salaries. It's frustrating cause then more than a few of them gouge you in gas. Again there are exceptions and theres places I like to frequent more than others. Sorry the post was long but I just had to vent.
Couple things I have to get used to though. I still flinch every now and then when I come up on some big ones and let off the gas (from my RX heh). With the "engine braking" (cured by different clutch setups from what I see) it was like hitting the brake which makes the nose dive. Was much better when I'd just skip the thing over and hit the next. Also I think I'm going to get the bigger spring since I'm currently like 245 with gear. The sled takes the bumps like I want with very little bottoming but the rebound (even at full hard on the adjuster) at times is too much. I have it on the 3rd clip, something like the 4th or 5th position. I'm suprised how mild mannered the thing is in the corners. I was afraid of pushing in the corners because of the longer track. It handles like the fronts glued to the trail. So far handwarmers have stayed on the low settings for the most part and my wheels still look good.
Now for the complaints. I'm glad my sled can take the bumps but I like stretching out its legs a bit and sweeping in the corners. And especially when the wives are with us it'd be NICE to actually see a groomer now and then other than idling in the parking lot for 3 hours. Now don't get me wrong, there are some stretches and clubs on the edges of "The Hill" that always keep their trails up and are very nice to ride. I don't mind when those get bad occassionally because often they are clubs that have some great volunteers and put a lot of time into our trail systems with little to no thanks. (Everyone should join a club) But when I see how much money some of these places are raking and then seeing the groomer parked in the lot with snow all around it (ie hasn't been moved) idling... That's BS. Especially since they seem to get more support from the state than the little guys (at least their equipment is better).
So we stop at the Timberview (hey whatya know a groomer sitting) for lunch and no joke it takes an hour and a half to get freakin cheeseburgers. And then they're cold. More and more it seems that some of the places up there really don't care anymore about service or the people that pay their salaries. It's frustrating cause then more than a few of them gouge you in gas. Again there are exceptions and theres places I like to frequent more than others. Sorry the post was long but I just had to vent.
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Yamahnator said:
WOW, you actually got your food at Timberview! Well, hey it could be worse... If you ate at Flat Rock, those dogs would've eaten your burger before you even got a whiff of it...
Anyhow, here are the bright spots... You have the sled that can eat the inevitable Tug Hill bumps... You won't need to buy gas on the trail unless you ride more than 150miles in one day (Which means your back would probably be broken and you are up to do the same loop around the hill again...) And finally, where can you see the biggest fans built by man... TO SEE THOSE WINDMILLS UP CLOSE IS SOMETHING, ISN'T IT? I ALMOST WENT OFF THE TRAIL THE FIRST TIME I ROUNDED THE CORNER TOWARDS FLAT ROCK!
MadMax
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I'm very happy for ya..I think the bigger spring is the answer. The engine braking is something some people need to get use to. I felt very good with it after my first long trip on tight trails.. Now when I ride my wifes V-max 700 I almost miss the corner..Does the 4 banger brake more than my three holer does?????????????? MM.
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How was the snow depth thinking of going this weekend? Is it worth riding?
JERSEYJOE
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Tug Hill New York
I was up there last weekend also. My place is in Barnes Corners. We had 6 of us up for the weekend and we rode about 200 miles. The trails were better than I thought they would be with all the rain they had. My GT still has the wimpy rear spring ae in and my dealer said that the FAT BOY spring will be in this week. If you go back to the hill a little secret is to ride towards Copenhagen and Carthage. The trails there are a lot less traveled. Plus I know a lot of " Local Trails" that are not on the map.
My GT bottoms hard on those long rollers almost to the point where I can't ride it. On the stutter bumps that are closely spaced I can hit them at way illegal speeds, but when they get spaced out the GT bottoms really bad. From the posts here the guys are saying that the FAT BOY spring will fix this, I can only pray. My hot grips seem to be OK, not as hot as my Viper or SRX. No broken idler wheels yet ( 275 miles).
As far as next week goes, if they get zero snow stay home and save it for another weekend.
I was up there last weekend also. My place is in Barnes Corners. We had 6 of us up for the weekend and we rode about 200 miles. The trails were better than I thought they would be with all the rain they had. My GT still has the wimpy rear spring ae in and my dealer said that the FAT BOY spring will be in this week. If you go back to the hill a little secret is to ride towards Copenhagen and Carthage. The trails there are a lot less traveled. Plus I know a lot of " Local Trails" that are not on the map.
My GT bottoms hard on those long rollers almost to the point where I can't ride it. On the stutter bumps that are closely spaced I can hit them at way illegal speeds, but when they get spaced out the GT bottoms really bad. From the posts here the guys are saying that the FAT BOY spring will fix this, I can only pray. My hot grips seem to be OK, not as hot as my Viper or SRX. No broken idler wheels yet ( 275 miles).
As far as next week goes, if they get zero snow stay home and save it for another weekend.
timberview suks in my opinion,beer is always warm 
,tiities arent bad to look at 
,and goddam i cant stand lookin at the owners unibrow! 
timberview
,tiities arent bad to look at ,and goddam i cant stand lookin at the owners unibrow! timberviewwigwam has a poker run this weekend...we need snow
Fergie
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Do you know what time the poker run run starts, i'll try to get there.
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I got 125 miles on the hill Monday with my Attak. The heavier rate spring is going in. The standard spring is way to light for me. Other than that I am very impressed with the sled. She tracks very well through the rough stuff. Got ponies in spades. One impressive snowmobile. I am going to be putting some better iron on the skis and it will be good to go. 
redrx1rkt
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Jersey Joe - I know you! You ride with Rex occasionally in Quebec, right? I met you once up there about four years ago. I've helped Rex unload his sled in your driveway in BC a few times as well...yours is the place with the Jeep in the driveway, right? Small world, especially for snowmobilers.
Tug Hill...an interesting place. Inconsistent grooming is the name of the game, unfortunately. It is so true to that clubs on the outskirts of the Hill do the best job grooming and signing. I belong to the Sno Pals because I think they do the best job on the Hill, but Cedar Pines and S. Tug Hill aren't far behind. Brantingham seems to do their best too, despite the usual lack of snow. Joe is right about going to Copenhagen and Carthage...many people don't know about that trail. Lots of open fields too. Problem with going that way is the snow gets thin quickly. It takes you too far north, out of the lake effect belt. Flat Rock and other clubs up on top of the Hill have one concern...making as much money as possible during the winter. I guess I can't blame them, but they focus on their business rather than the trails that lead to the business. I guess they are right in that they don't need to care because people will still come regardless of the trails. And they don't sign AT ALL. My local club is signed as good as Quebec and so are many other clubs in this area east of Rochester. In fact, signing is now really good on most of NY's 8000 miles of trails...except the Hill!!! That's the one place where NYSOPHP needs to crack the whip. Imagine riding the Hill as an first time out-of-stater. It's impossible. You've got to ride the Hill and just learn it and forget about the signs.
Another good place to ride out of BC are the state forest roads. They don't go anywhere, but they are straight and usually flat. There's a new section this year...you take a right after riding the powerline trail north to south (or is it west to east? not sure). This takes you on a dead end trail, but it doesn't end for about 20 miles. Great riding, no traffic, always in good shape. Doing the Tug Hill to Old Forge run through Stillwater is a nice ride too...just gotta hope for enough snow between the two places.
Tug Hill...an interesting place. Inconsistent grooming is the name of the game, unfortunately. It is so true to that clubs on the outskirts of the Hill do the best job grooming and signing. I belong to the Sno Pals because I think they do the best job on the Hill, but Cedar Pines and S. Tug Hill aren't far behind. Brantingham seems to do their best too, despite the usual lack of snow. Joe is right about going to Copenhagen and Carthage...many people don't know about that trail. Lots of open fields too. Problem with going that way is the snow gets thin quickly. It takes you too far north, out of the lake effect belt. Flat Rock and other clubs up on top of the Hill have one concern...making as much money as possible during the winter. I guess I can't blame them, but they focus on their business rather than the trails that lead to the business. I guess they are right in that they don't need to care because people will still come regardless of the trails. And they don't sign AT ALL. My local club is signed as good as Quebec and so are many other clubs in this area east of Rochester. In fact, signing is now really good on most of NY's 8000 miles of trails...except the Hill!!! That's the one place where NYSOPHP needs to crack the whip. Imagine riding the Hill as an first time out-of-stater. It's impossible. You've got to ride the Hill and just learn it and forget about the signs.
Another good place to ride out of BC are the state forest roads. They don't go anywhere, but they are straight and usually flat. There's a new section this year...you take a right after riding the powerline trail north to south (or is it west to east? not sure). This takes you on a dead end trail, but it doesn't end for about 20 miles. Great riding, no traffic, always in good shape. Doing the Tug Hill to Old Forge run through Stillwater is a nice ride too...just gotta hope for enough snow between the two places.
JERSEYJOE
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Barnes Corners
SNOFREAK: can't remember! Rex was at my place on Sunday. I have since moved to a much bigger / nicer place. We are planning our Quebec ride for Feb 25 to March 5. You might want to give Rex a call if you want to go. I have been riding on the hill since 1971, lots of changes, winters are getting shorter and milder. If you are up there ask in the bars if I have been there. We make the rounds just about every weekend.
Regards!!
Jersey
SNOFREAK: can't remember! Rex was at my place on Sunday. I have since moved to a much bigger / nicer place. We are planning our Quebec ride for Feb 25 to March 5. You might want to give Rex a call if you want to go. I have been riding on the hill since 1971, lots of changes, winters are getting shorter and milder. If you are up there ask in the bars if I have been there. We make the rounds just about every weekend.
Regards!!
Jersey
redrx1rkt
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I don't blame you...but I was just about to leave and you guys just showed up for your big trip. We were all in the bar upstairs in the Motel Senateur.
As usual, I can't do the Quebec trip, it's a week too late. My vacation, which I can't choose, is Feb. 18-27. THe only thing I could do is meet Rex and some others interested up there a few days early and just ride the Mt Laurier trails. However, I wasn't planning a Quebec trip this year because of expense.
Where did you move to in BC? I may be up to the HIll this weekend...Sunday. I will have to call Rex and see if he plans on riding. They (and we) really need to get a lot of snow this week to fix things up. We are almost completely out of snow around here and the Hill has taken a real beating, as I am sure you know. Sigh. Glad I have 400 miles of riding already this season.
See ya round...
P.S. You must spend a fortune on gas coming up from NJ each weekend!
As usual, I can't do the Quebec trip, it's a week too late. My vacation, which I can't choose, is Feb. 18-27. THe only thing I could do is meet Rex and some others interested up there a few days early and just ride the Mt Laurier trails. However, I wasn't planning a Quebec trip this year because of expense.
Where did you move to in BC? I may be up to the HIll this weekend...Sunday. I will have to call Rex and see if he plans on riding. They (and we) really need to get a lot of snow this week to fix things up. We are almost completely out of snow around here and the Hill has taken a real beating, as I am sure you know. Sigh. Glad I have 400 miles of riding already this season.
See ya round...
P.S. You must spend a fortune on gas coming up from NJ each weekend!
TT670
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If youve got too much rebound now it'll get worse with a stiffer spring. You might find a revalve is needed with either spring. I know the kick youre talking about, it shows up on the big hits and I agree the rebound is still a little too fast even with the RA set to hard when the trail gets real whooped up.
welterracer
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Re: Tug Hill New York
JERSEYJOE said:
