dealer installed supercharger next year, CR's sledblog

[kviper]

I talked with Gilles in depth yesterday about the kit. It uses all of the stock fuel system with very minor modification. The kit should be finalized in a few day's with pictures available soon. They are recamending premium fuel but all of there testing was done with regular fuel with no problem's. It sounds like there has been a lot of testing over a good period of time on this kit. As far as price goes if they can prove 20 HP for $2,000 that is about 1/4 of the HP for about 1/4 of the price of a trail turbo kit with no header problem's, No fuel problem's, No reliability problem's and it is amazingly simple. I am on his list for a kit when available. For 2G's i will give it a try. I had a hard time forking out 8G's for a turbo kit and having to deal with all the issue's and constantly thinking i was getting bad fuel, When the season gets here i want to ride, That is why i ride Yamaha's. kviper

 

[Sasquatch]

As far as price goes if they can prove 20 HP for $2,000 that is about 1/4 of the HP for about 1/4 of the price of a trail turbo kit with no header problem's, No fuel problem's, No reliability problem's and it is amazingly simple.

I'm with ya on the simple part! I think that may be the problem! How people look at what they are getting.

Guess it depends on just how bad you want 20hp! You pay to play. How deep are your pockets.

As a side note turbo and supercharger kits in the 8,000 dollar range make 150 to 250 more hp. So for 4 times the money you can get over ten times the hp.

 

[skidooboy]

yeah the math for 20 hp is pretty steep. i know we are paying for technology, not just the parts or what it takes to make it but, to put things into perspective for you...

back in the day you could buy new triple pipes for a sx/sxR, viper for 5-600 bux and get almost 30hp.

i think if we all stop saying these things are affordable, maybe our pricing could be more "reasonable" for items down the road. but the trend in the powersports business is price it high to see what the market will bear. then adjust later for the masses. if you dont beleive me, look at slipper clutches for motorcycles.

there will always be someone with deeper pockets or someone wanting the latest and greatest add ons for the companies to sell to. but for me these pricings are just too much for the gain.

again as stated above for alittle more, you get 10 times the hp. and for me, it would be all or nothing.

but, that is only my opinion. ski

 

[RTX]

I'm with ya on the simple part! I think that may be the problem! How people look at what they are getting.

That is exactly my point. I am sure it is a quality product. i have absolutely no doubt about that. And i love the simplicity of it.
It just appears so simple, 4-5 parts @2000 bucks. i have a difficult time justifying it to myself.

lookin forward to hearing some reviews. maybe that will win me over!!!

 

[kviper]

As far as price goes if they can prove 20 HP for $2,000 that is about 1/4 of the HP for about 1/4 of the price of a trail turbo kit with no header problem's, No fuel problem's, No reliability problem's and it is amazingly simple.

I'm with ya on the simple part! I think that may be the problem! How people look at what they are getting.

Guess it depends on just how bad you want 20hp! You pay to play. How deep are your pockets.

As a side note turbo and supercharger kits in the 8,000 dollar range make 150 to 250 more hp. So for 4 times the money you can get over ten times the hp.

I am talking a base 8# kit at $8g's (80hp) is four times the HP and four times the money of what this kit is. If you are going to ADD 150 to 250hp you will need Race fuel or a meth kit for 150hp and to add 250hp you will be spending 15 to 20g's (probably more) for a kit and major motor mod'. I am not bashing turbo's or supercharger's, I am just saying for me i will take the 20HP, the dependability and the simplicity for $2,000. He will sell all he can build. kviper

 

[pistol]

sneaking a 20hp increase under the hood = $2000

face of bud after spanking his stock one = priceless

 

[Yammerhead]

$2K sounds in the ball park to me. Think about the time and the costs involved with getting all the parts mocked up, prototyped, tested and built. Ten of thousands of $$. How many of these would they have to sell just to recoup costs? Really, how big is the available market? If it was my money on the line, I would be building a hefty margin into the pricing to make sure I didn't lose my shorts.

Once the product is tested and proven viable, I wouldn't doubt if the price came down some. It's always easier to drop the price of your product than raise it.

 

[Daranello]

Remember since they will be available at Yamaha the dealer needs his cut also$$$$ does Gilles own Kimpex???

Also $100 per HP seams about right.....make one for a Nytro and ill be the first to smack down $2500

 

[marsh14]

40 HP nitrous $700 if all you want to do is race your buddies.

 

[Sasquatch]

I am not bashing turbo's or supercharger's, I am just saying for me i will take the 20HP, the dependability and the simplicity for $2,000. He will sell all he can build. kviper

Hey I'm not bashing your look on things. Yes you will need race fuel or at least octane boost for bighp. Yes this system is a simple add on with only a few parts.

Your paying more for the simplicity (idea) then for the hardware. This is what people are noticing. How bad do you want 20hp? How deep are your pockets? I will need 2,500 plus an electric fuel pump.

As you can see I want one. He may well sell all he can build.

Now about the group buy!

 

[Sasquatch]

Next thought is this is an Apex kit.

To get this to work on an RX as I understand it one may have to increase fuel pressure to compensate for increased pressure inside the carb.

In automotive applications blow through (the carb) superchargers need to increase fuel pressure to match the increase in air pressure. That is for up to 5 or 6 pds of boost.

This kit makes about 2 pds boost so not sure if fuel pressure needs to be increased or not. I'm thinking a electric fuel pump putting out 7 pds should insure fuel supply. I'm unsure what the stock pumps put out.

Thoughts anyone!

 

[kviper]

I am not bashing turbo's or supercharger's, I am just saying for me i will take the 20HP, the dependability and the simplicity for $2,000. He will sell all he can build. kviper

Hey I'm not bashing your look on things. Yes you will need race fuel or at least octane boost for bighp. Yes this system is a simple add on with only a few parts.

Your paying more for the simplicity (idea) then for the hardware. This is what people are noticing. How bad do you want 20hp? How deep are your pockets? I will need 2,500 plus an electric fuel pump.

As you can see I want one. He may well sell all he can build.

Now about the group buy!

The way it sounds the idea behind the whole kit is to have something for the guy"s that don't have or don't want to spend $8,000. Your option's before this kit is not much more than stock HP or $8,000 for a turbo kit. Until i would have all of the coast involved in engineering, testing and marketing this kit i am not going to say what is to much. As far as Nitrous goes, I want it on tap all the time and don't want to mess with filling tank's and being out when i want it the most. Just my opinion! kviper

 

[SLEDSTART]

G Force Division sell eleven unit TODAY


Thanks All

'' A new YAMCHARGER logo coming on the unit.''

Those are awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now how do I sell this one to my fiance?????????

You buy if BEFORE the marrage...This way it's yours forever...LOL


Sign me up....I WANT ONE!!!

 

[apltx08]

make one for a Nytro and ill be the first to smack down $2500

By what I was reading they'll only work on higher rpm motors (RX1/APEX), 4 holers that spin 10.000 to 11.000 rpm's, I copied this of the right up...

Based on the fact that the Yamaha 4-cylinder engine is geared down to facilitate clutch durability and the crank turning over 10,000 rpm, a direct drive impeller has the potential to create enough boost to effectively increase the power, in this case, by a minimum of twenty horsepower from a completely stock motor.

 

[kviper]

A larger impeller or a different pitch to the vein's could off set the reduced RPM. I think it would depend on the ability of the stock fuel system as far as how much extra HP it can support and then the amount of boost would need to be matched accordingly. In the Apexes case it must be about 20HP, Otherwise you would need to get in to making changes to the fuel system and then the price tag will start going up. kviper